From owner-sc22wg14+sc22wg14-domo2=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Fri Mar 7 15:12:34 2025 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22wg14-domo2 Delivered-To: sc22wg14-domo2@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id 6527A356645; Fri, 7 Mar 2025 15:12:34 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: sc22wg14@open-std.org Received: from mail-ed1-f47.google.com (mail-ed1-f47.google.com [209.85.208.47]) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1917135662E for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2025 15:12:33 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail-ed1-f47.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-5e5e63162a0so1010667a12.3 for ; Fri, 07 Mar 2025 06:12:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1741356752; x=1741961552; darn=open-std.org; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=MWNWX7mOPpKj1OI268hz+2YCmsI34TjY5nZ25c23ykU=; b=UdNRa0pVH20lATLq/ZX+HNjQvevQRWA2XRin+/I3D+PRU6YIlwOFtDAZlSYn67LilP LzSJ/DWTxIJbkKcrOW0W5EtCUehtVTBjEfpjo63xqwkeghFlHPm8CobKY3PSlbWnY1aG WvCxHzWiWZA1vKhEtq1ZkPhN3HTHN10MmvBew97/YUnDHfKMIMn/RnVHlsP2RH8mXg07 av3ftiA2AR2iMyEU9ctsvqWNrzVkbObii2bBZS5cZyxnNj8CpnokpvowKai0uxvUtFqq Q7B8LwDa2vUd3M0AFZRArT49pElFbx25YGw1QJA35lXNUezd30QYxcxgGUjOWmIckrhU PtHQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1741356752; x=1741961552; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=MWNWX7mOPpKj1OI268hz+2YCmsI34TjY5nZ25c23ykU=; b=lbZk/1hWC0RedIOhNGy3RQ0siQl9se7C1i+D/a/NGXD0B6XazOhw1I5tKuKB6nZHK6 wcNAGKSWHyX05BiLEK4z+OhZwJzgIW35ohu3buW3koR5LxL2PYQlUjFfyS9sguYQDrfb 3PJ9lx3EL2qzWpyadvRnIMNKlhrPcDjCujae6sIyWis07GgdRUv3Myt79JV1wn0ppZyX qg+hQfpdAL+2LSBN4t6lVBw2MZQKXZ06NAXCYBD7z1qOJCJDGNUISo8BR7N2iQG/S2Ay cakcuroZNHud91Lv/ITCG9QxNBAXTwA0UPuTtE0prHhg8vOtWeMgXjr4L1f5jAwTtABI D+zA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzX2GNho63LSX0azwOj9EkBkVGTBxxU7Lm5x4j54R86AOi1TWT2 D3c5gRyxD1AEd0ECzCDQv69Ph+Ko/l55jLT7Qzbbgc2D7cv719mjO2pTVQbP9vfO7lveG67g2Cu 77K9+IpwcKzzYCsA+bHZKF8KWr7/S4Dz3 X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncvspQKfEFlxFeJnLt6FnkFKixsSvsEItw7/j2R/BmKqQpM9yHRxST+r2IAmf08 0dC8OZ9DQLMJuIBo9SJz98i9YIF54pxSa/KQ0A1vuvoO7ufSoo5HGY3RmbNZAmnbLUEGCGyf74H PVCgR/LgmbE9P9OXlkmnqtzo5JckorHprnW7BR+e+sp4Q5MDX5754AQxxKgg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHCRN5hzsTFGt8RUsk07Rs5jZlzsJ1CaiZFSNv9Pvq1gcV5kXjZ6kf7jBqR2u3q/kFQNphQtUp2Dyb1NMGwUIU= X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:cb21:b0:ac2:440e:2299 with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-ac252a87cb4mr284779866b.17.1741356752351; Fri, 07 Mar 2025 06:12:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Corentin Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2025 15:12:15 +0100 X-Gm-Features: AQ5f1JrmW6Jo4omEN-CnCWBi9jIq8x4gELKQQl9gseq2CYEqxmAWnzOoRCIuUAI Message-ID: Subject: N3418 proposes the opposite of existing practice To: wg14 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a6bc60062fc13622" Sender: owner-sc22wg14@open-std.org Precedence: bulk --000000000000a6bc60062fc13622 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hey folks. I was informed that N3418 was approved at the last meeting. The link in the paper does not show the correct demonstration of the affected wording/feature. Here is a better example https://godbolt.org/z/56GhG1n63 You will notice that most compilers, and certainly all major compilers, accept that code. I also want to point out that all C++ compilers accept that code, which is mandated by the standard (the change was applied as a DR a few years ago by https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2023/p2621r2.pdf) I don't know how much discussion was in the room, but I don't think N3418 offered a sufficient analysis of the status quo. It's indeed rather light on details. I also want to point out that for most implementations, UCN formed by concatenation just falls out naturally of the implementation, so N3418 constitutes an additional implementation burden - rather than making things simpler for anyone. Were these points brought up in Graz? Thanks, Corentin --000000000000a6bc60062fc13622 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey folks.
I was informed that N3418 was approved at t= he last meeting.

The link in the paper does not sh= ow the correct demonstration of the affected wording/feature.
Her= e is a better example=C2=A0http= s://godbolt.org/z/56GhG1n63

You will notice th= at most compilers, and certainly all major compilers, accept that code.

I also want to point out that all C++ compilers accep= t that code, which is mandated by the standard
(the change was applied as a DR a f= ew years ago by=C2=A0https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/pap= ers/2023/p2621r2.pdf)

I don't know how muc= h=C2=A0discussion was in the room, but I don't think=C2=A0N3418 offered= a sufficient analysis of the status=C2=A0quo.
It's indeed ra= ther light on details.

I also want to point out th= at for most implementations, UCN formed by concatenation just falls out nat= urally of the implementation, so N3418 constitutes an additional implementa= tion burden - rather than making things simpler for anyone.

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Were these points brought up in Graz?=C2=A0

<= div>Thanks,

Corentin
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