WG15 April 1998 Meeting Minutes, Unapproved Draft

1998-05-04 --- WG15 N769

  1. Opening of Meeting
  2. Welcome to the 10th Anniversary meeting. Roger Martin (Chair) called the meeting to order at 10.00am Friday April 24, 1998 at Embassy Suites Hotel, Dallas Texas.

    1. Welcome From Host
    2. Introductions & Roll Call of Technical Experts
    3. Name

      Delegation

      Post

      Nick Stoughton

      UK

      Hod/Secretary

      Jim Isaak

      Convener

       

      Jason Zions

      US

      Invited Expert

      Dave Blackwood

      Canada

      HoD

      Sandra Swearingen

      UK

      Invited Expert

      Lowell Johnson

      US

      Member

      Andrew Josey

      UK/TOG

      Member

      Nobuo Saito

      Japan

      HoD

      Keld Simonsen

      Denmark

      Hod

      Jay Ashford

      US

      Member

      Don Cragun

      US

      Member

      Roger Martin

      US

      HoD

      Jim Oblinger

      US

      Member

           

      Bob Barned

       

      Observer (US)

       

      1. Verification of HoD-PASC Distribution

      No real problems. There have recently been problems with the pasc.org server, and in the event that emails there fail, please use "themacs.com" instead (e.g. wg15tag@themacs.com instead of wg15tag@pasc.org)

    4. Selection of Drafting Committee
    5. Dave Blackwood, Jim Oblinger, Keld Simonsen

    6. Adoption of Agenda
    7. Agenda (as modified by the HoD Agenda meeting held previously) adopted.

    8. Approval of Minutes
    9. Minutes (as distributed in e1153) were approved without modification.

    10. Action Items & National Reports
    1. Japan - Provide URLs and other information they would like posted to the WG15 web page (Rolled over from 9510-08 on National Bodies and 9605-01 and 9610-01 and 9705-01 on Japan and Netherlands.) -- OPEN
    2. Denmark and Japan - Work with Willem Wakker to figure out how National Profiles could be incorporated into TR-10000. (TR10000 now handled directly by JTC1.) (Rolled over from 9605-33, 9610-13, and 9705-06.) DK NPs are not covered by TR10000 – CLOSED Overcome by Events.
    3. Project Editor (Stephe Walli) - Call and conduct an editing meeting to create, approve, and forward to the SC22 Secretariat, a disposition of comments for IEEE 1003.2b (JTC1.22.41). (R 96-334) after a review by the U.S., Japan, and Denmark Member Bodies. A proposed record of response has been received via email in WG15 N754. An editing meeting must now be held via conference call or email. (See 9705-10.) (Rolled over from 9605-53, 9610-18, 9705-10, and 9705-39.) OPEN, editing meeting not yet held.
    4. Project Editor (Casey Schaufler) - Call and conduct an editing meeting to create, approve, and forward to the SC22 Secretariat, a disposition of comments for IEEE 1003.2c (JTC1.22.43 PDAM3) after a review by the U.S. and Netherlands Member Bodies. (R 96-334). SC22 N2173 (WG15 N683r refers as the ballot comments). (Rolled over from 9605-54, 9610-19, and 9705-11.) CLOSED – Overcome By Events
    5. Project Editor (Casey Schaufler) - Call and conduct an editing meeting to create, approve, and forward to the SC22 Secretariat, a disposition of comments for IEEE 1003.1e (JTC1.22.42). (R 96-334) after a review by the U.S. and Netherlands National Bodies. (Rolled over from 9605-55, 9610-20, and 9705-12.) CLOSED – Overcome By Events
    6. Canada, Japan, and Netherlands - Review the Web pages, especially the document on Cultural Convention Specifications and report any comments to Keld Simonsen. (Rolled over from 9610-33 and 9705-15.) CLOSED.- DK has followup comments. New ACTION Denmark to address Japan’s concerns expressed in N759 on the Cultural Convention Specifications.
    7. U.S. - Forward IEEE Standard 1003.10 and Explanatory Reports to SC22 and WG15 for their review and comment. (Only explanatory reports outstanding at this time.) (Rolled over from 9610-44 and 9705-18.) CLOSED
    8. U.S. - Forward P1003.13 Explanatory Reports to SC22 and WG15 for review and comment. (See also 9710-43.) (Rolled over from 9610-45 and 9705-19.) CLOSED
    9. Project Editor (Keld Simonsen) - Prepare an example of an LIS function of 9945-1 using both IDL and LID. Distribute these examples to WG15, requesting Member Bodies to review and comment on the work. (Rolled over from 9610-52 and 9705-23.) OPEN awaiting distribution of response.
    10. U.S. - Put IEEE 2003 (AKA 13210 Final CD) on-line as a test case for the new on-line document guidelines. (Rolled over from 9705-34.) CLOSED
    11. Project Editor (Stephe Walli) - Hold a editing meeting re work item 22.41 [1003.2b], by the 18 July, to consider WG15 N679, conclude the discussion and create the final Disposition of Comments, and to forward these to WG15 for action. (See 9705-10 and 9710-03.) (Rolled over from 9705-39.) CLOSED
    12. U.S. - Send the appropriate document corresponding to 22.21.03.02 Batch Services {2d/15a} to ITTF for publication. SC22 N2232 refers as the ballot summary. (OPEN until receipt by ITTF is confirmed.) (Rolled over from 9705-40.)
    13. All Project Editors - Ensure they have or obtain the current copy of their documents’ source, for archive purposes. (Rolled over from 9705-46.)
    14. Keld Simonsen – CLOSED
      Don Folland – CLOSED
      Jim Oblinger - CLOSED
      Stephe Walli – OPEN
      Casey Schaufler – CLOSED
      Norm Aaronson – OPEN
      Michael Gonzales – CLOSED
      Shane McCarron – CLOSED
      Martin Kirk – CLOSED
      Jay Ashford – CLOSED
      Ted Baker – CLOSED
      Barry Hedquist - OPEN

    15. U.S. - Provide the appropriate draft of 14515-2 Test Methods for 9945-2 (2003.2), in electronic form, for DIS ballot. (U.S. to confirm that it was sent electronically.) (Rolled over from 9705-48.) CLOSED
    16. All Member Bodies - Seek volunteers for the post of WG15 Convener, to run for three years from September 1998 at the latest. Applicants should have sponsorship from their employers and from their National Bodies. (Rolled over from 9705-55.) OPEN
    17. U.S. - Forward the appropriate drafts of P1003.1a and P1003.1j to the SC22 Secretariat for Final PDAM Ballot. Resolution 9705-364 refers. (Rolled over from 9705-63.) CLOSED
    18. Member Bodies – Review and Comment on the proposed disposition of comments in WG15 N754 to the project editor (Stephe Walli) prior to the editing meeting. CLOSED
    19. Keld Simonsen - Forward document WG14 N780 to U.S. development body (1003.2). (See 9705-22.) CLOSED
    20. WG20 Liaison (Keld Simonsen) - Contact U.S. development body with regard to the use of extended identifiers in POSIX small languages and to clarify the issues in WG15 N741, the U.S. response to action item 9705-27. (See 9705-27.) CLOSED
    21. Convener - Forward the latest revision of WG15 SD-6 to Keld Simonsen, WG15 webmaster, to replace the existing document on the protected web pages at www.dkuug.dk. (See 9705-30.) CLOSED
    22. U.S. - Forward comments received in action item reports in response to action item 9705-33 to the U.S. development body. (See 9705-33.) CLOSED
    23. Canada and Denmark - Investigate whether resources can be committed to further the System Administration Overview (1387.1) project. (See 9705-41.) CLOSED – new ACTION Canada and Denmark - Investigate whether resources can be found to commence a new work item for the System Administration Overview (1387.1) project.
    24. Convener - Confirm that the System Administration Overview (1387.1) project has not been withdrawn by SC22. (See 9705-41.) CLOSED – it was withdrawn at SC22.
    25. Convener – Forward WG15 N755 as amended to SC22 as WG15’s disposition of comments on the PDAM registration ballot for work item 22.21.40 Additional Real Time Extensions (1003.1d). CLOSED
    26. U.S. - Verify the titles of the P1003.1d and P1003.1j real time extension project documents. CLOSED see N761
    27. Netherlands – Ask Willem Wakker if he would accept nomination as WG11 Liaison. OPEN
    28. Convener – Respond to request re: i18n APIs that WG15 does not do programming languages but that they might be of use in profiling. CLOSED
    29. European Member Bodies (Denmark, Netherlands, and U.K.) and on The Open Group – Identify where in 9945-1 and/or 9945-2 changes may needed to accommodate the new Euro currency. OPEN (on Netherlands only) – see 3.2 Euro considerations.
    30. Convener - Address the problem of online WG15 operations. CLOSED
    31. Member bodies - Research the issues and problems involved and potential solutions that could be implemented with respect to online WG15 operations. CLOSED
    32. U.S. - Include ISO amendment numbers (when assigned) on IEEE documents circulated within WG15 and SC22. CLOSED
    33. U.S. – Report on the inclusion of references to both ISO and IEEE standards in defect reports (R 97-382). CLOSED
    34. The Open Group Liaison – Transmit R 97-383 to The Open Group and report back on progress. CLOSED
    35. The Open Group Liaison – Provide recommendations on how to handle defect reports on PAS submissions. CLOSED
    36. U.S. – Report what the results were of the recirculation of the Security Amendment (.2c). CLOSED (OBE)
    37. Project Editor (Casey Schaufler) - Produce the disposition of comments on the Security Amendment (.2c) PDAM3. CLOSED (OBE)
    38. U.S. - Identify which draft of 1387.4, Print Administration, will be submitted for CD ballot and when it might be received. CLOSED – draft 9 will be submitted soon for CD Ballot.
    39. Project Editor (Stephe Walli) - Complete disposition of comments on Extensions to base (.1a) PDAM5. OPEN
    40. U.S. - Submit a draft of Advanced Real Time Extensions (.1j) PDAM7 and identify whether or not it is being submitted for Final PDAM ballot. CLOSED
    41. U.S. - Provide a recommendation on how to progress the various Ada work items. CLOSED
    42. U.S. - Forward the appropriate draft of CD 13210 Test Methods, when available, to the SC22 secretariat for DIS ballot. OPEN
    43. Convener - Contact SC22 and request that the PDAM ballot on 14515-1 PDAM 1 (2003.1b Draft 5) be cancelled if it has not already gone out. CLOSED
    44. U.S. - Forward 1003.13 Draft 8 to SC22 for review and comment and PDISP registration. (See also 9710-08.) CLOSED
    45. U.S. - Investigate and report on the status of 1003.18 and make a recommendation on a possible division of work. OPEN
    46. U.S. – Request the U.S. Development Body to make the necessary arrangements to enable a WG15 ad-hoc meeting in conjunction with IEEE PASC at their scheduled meeting in January 1998. CLOSED
    47. Roger Martin – Issue a meeting invitation and agenda for the January ad-hoc meeting and to report the results to the WG15 plenary in April 1998. CLOSED
    48. Convener – Request that SC22 propose a change to JTC1 rules to allow the use of fast track for amendments to base standards, Technical Reports and ISPs. (R97-381) OPEN
    49. U.S. – Request the U.S. development body to include references to both ISO/IEC standards and IEEE standards when forwarding defect reports and proposed records of response. (R97-382) CLOSED
    50. The Open Group Liaison – Convey WG15’s thanks for providing the Go Solo CD and suggest that references to both the IEEE and the corresponding ISO/IEC standards be included in future Open Group documents. (R97-383) CLOSED
    51. Convener – Request that SC22 forward the IEEE 2003 draft standard for DIS ballot. (R97-384) OPEN
    52. U.S. – Request that the U.S. development body forward IEEE Std 1003.10-1995 to SC22 for concurrent 22.15287-1 PDISP Registration and Final PDISP Ballot. (R97-385) CLOSED
    53. U.S. – Request that the U.S. development body forward IEEE 1003.13 Draft 8 to SC22 for Review and Comment and 22.15287-2 PDISP Registration. (R97-386) CLOSED
    54. U.S. – Request that the U.S. development body forward IEEE 1003.13 Draft 9, when available, to SC22 for Final PDISP Ballot. (R97-386) CLOSED
    55. Roger Martin – to convene an ad hoc meeting, 11-12 Jan 1998 in conjunction with IEEE PASC, to discuss the future direction of POSIX and the impact on current and future WG15 work items. (R97-387) CLOSED
  1. Status, Liaison and Action Item Reports
    1. Issues List
    2. SD3. Issue 2, documenting National Profiles: ISO/IEC TR 14766 is under development and documents National Profiles (and National Locales); and the action taken to attempt to use TR10000 has proved unsuccessful. ENV12005, provides a process for National Profile registration. This issue can now be closed.

      Issue 3 – remains Open.

      Issue 7 – subsetting. ACTION US in their plans for a revision of 1003.1 to take into account the subsetting by 1003.13, and to report back to WG15 how they propose to handle that.

      ACTION Member Bodies to respond to the subsetting proposal in PDISP ballot to 15287-2 (aka 1003.13) and indicate whether such subsetting should be supported in the base standard.

      Issue CLOSED.

      Issue 8 Localedef User specified collation weight names – remains OPEN

      Issue 9 LC_CTYPE extensions. Remains OPEN.

      Issue 10 Range expression dependency. Remains OPEN.

    3. JTC1 Actions Affecting Group
    4. No actions exepected.

    5. SC22 Action, Convener Report

There are outstanding requests for status updates on the following:

Bob Pritchard attended as US invited expert to report on the procedural issues here. It appears that the USTAG was requested to ask WG15 whether or not to use fast-tack for this document, and this question has not yet been asked. It is also unclear whether ISPs can be fast tracked. US proposed that it be fast tracked. UK seconded. Denmark would prefer it to be PDISP. This is a general cooperation issue. Bob Pritchard said that the fast track process is being used more and more with ISO simply being a care and maintenance rather than a development body. Denmark is opposed to this trend in general. Move to amend to recommend fast track if possible, final PDISP if not. (US) UK second. Denmark opposed in principle.

Jim Isaak has researched what would happen in the event that WG15 has no convener. With no convener, there will be no working group. An interim convener could be appointed, in which case the group would be allowed to continue. SC22 could also assume responsibility for the work, but with the volume concerned in the case of WG15, this is unlikely. The third possibility is that the work be assigned directly to a member body. In the case of WG15, the US is the natural home for all but one of the work items currently in progress, the other could be taken by TOG (as category C liaison to SC22, and current originator of this project).

    1. Report on IEEE PASC Standards Projects
    2. Some new ballot results have now been posted to SD11. The security projects (1003.1e and 1003.2c). have been withdrawn. UK moved to withdraw the corresponding work items. US seconded. No discussion. Assigned to drafting committee.

    3. Liaison & Working Relationship Reports
      1. WG9/Ada
      2. No report submitted.

      3. WG11/Cross Language
      4. Keld offered an informal verbal report as members; WG11 has a PDTR out for ballot, and the LIS techniques used there may be relevant to this group.

      5. WG20/I18N
      6. Keld presented DTN-2.

        Japan expressed concern that WG20 was developing/enhancing POSIX locales. Keld replied that it was a similar approach to WG15/POSIX, and was simply internationalization work, WG15 might want to consider the output of this process. The word POSIX should be struck from the report. ACTION WG20 liaison (Keld) to post the modified report to the WG15 reflector.

      7. WG21/C++
      8. Nothing to report.

      9. WG22/PCTE
      10. Keld reported that they are about to dissolve.

      11. WG14/C Language
      12. Keld presented DTN-1. ACTION WG14 Liaison (Keld) to post DTN-1 to the WG15 reflector.

      13. TOG (CategoryC)

      Andrew Josey presented e1234/N764. Jim Isaak noted that PAS submission on DCE interopability has become IS 15879, but is directly related to IS 15068-2, and perhaps would have been better to have been in the same numbering sequence.

    4. Editors Reports
    5. Don Folland submitted e1225. He now has the draft.

      Jim Oblinger submitted e1236.

    6. Defect Reports/Interpretations & Corrigenda

The following reports have been submitted:

E1247, e1221, e1220, e1219, e1218, e1217, e1216, e1215, e1204, e1194, e1193, e1163, e1158, e1157.

UK moves to accept these messages as the draft record of response. US seconded. ACTION Andrew Josey to sort these into records of response and forward them to Keld to mount on the WG15 web site, and to continue doing this on an annual basis.

  1. Specific Actions For This Meeting
    1. System Administration Overview
    2. A new action has been generated for Denmark and Canada to consider whether bodies are available to restart this work item.

    3. Euro Considerations
    4. Denmark has been working on two issues, one relating to an API for 9945-1 and one is an extension to locales for 9945-2 (see e1206 and e1237). PASC SUWG has reviewed this and believes it inappropriate. UK does not believe this appropriate. The Open Group does not believe this appropriate. Denmark is saddened by this negative response. ACTION Convener to prepare and forward a report on the Euro issue to SC22 and JTC1

    5. Future of POSIX Discussions
    6. See e1205, e1182, e1181.

      Continuing discussions this week at PASC have given rise to four recommendations for short term investigation, pending a final report to PASC in July.

      RECOMMENDATION #1: Form a small group with meeting planning representatives from all three organizations to address issues 1&2.

      RECOMMENDATION #2: Invite "procedures experts" from the three organizations to form a standing procedures committee to address these and related issues as they arise.

      RECOMMENDATION #3: Use the proposed POSIX.1 Revision as the testbed. The Ad Hoc recommends that PASC/SEC form a small group to develop a plan for discussion at the July 1998 meeting. Defer any action/decision on POSIX.2 until July 1998.

      RECOMMENDATION #4: The Ad hoc recommends that PASC refer issues relating to existing work to the PASC Working Group chairs for their consideration and feedback. Further, WG15 and The Open Group should be invited to identify specific issues that need to be addressed in this area.

       

      It was noted that all those present are involved heavily in PASC, and there may be a perception that anybody appointed here may have a "PASC bias". However, there is an urgency here, since all groups are meeting within the next two weeks. ACTION Member bodies are invited to identify additional participants for these discussions and follow-up activities.

      Recommendation 1: Jim Isaak, Prof Saito to represent WG15

      Recommendation 2: Keld Simonsen, Nick Stoughton, and Jim Isaak to represent WG15.

      Recommendation 3: Lowell Johnson, Keld Simonsen to represent WG15.

      Recommendation 4: Roger Martin to act as coordinator for comments received. ACTION All Member Bodies to identify specific issue that need to be addressed w.r.t. work in progress and co-operative development TOG/PASC/WG15 by May 31.

       

      Jim Isaak suggested the possibility of forming Rapporteur groups to "own" logical chunks of work (e.g. C language bindings, Shell & Utilities). Member bodies could be involved in these, as could PASC and TOG. NOTE these rapporteur groups could continue to exist even if WG15 itself went away (lack of convener).

      The following diagram was developed to illustrate the process.

       

      This was agreed as a sensible way to initiate collaborative work.

    7. Process for PAS defect Reports
    8. Andrew Josey presented DTN-4 (available at http://www.opengroup.org/interpretations).

    9. Distributed Software Admin
    10. TOG were congratulated on getting the first ever PAS submission successfully completed.

    11. Meeting Frequency and Schedule

    All agreed that annual face-to-face meetings were required, with substantial email business in the interim. There was much discussion on where such an anuual meeting might be held; the US proposed in conjunction with SC22, Denmark and UK would prefer in conjunction with PASC (or perhaps TOG). The agreement is to alternate/rotate between these (SC22/PASC/TOG).

  2. Actions Arising From Reports
  3. These have all been addressed elsewhere.

  4. Project Activities – Registration, Balloting, Content
    1. 9945-3 LIS System Interface
    2. DTN-3 refers (renumbered to N768). Existing action on Keld to circulate this. New ACTION All Member Bodies to review and Comment on N768 by August 1.

    3. 9945-2 Shell & Utilities
    4. Already covered in Action Item reports.

    5. 15068 Administered Systems
    6. Covered all documents already.

    7. 9945-1 C Language Bindings
    8. Substantial discussion on 1003.1g, PII. This was rejected by IEEE as a standard. However, the sync plan requires international comments to be added to a document outside of the IEEE ballot process should they be recd. The standards board has not notified the sponsor chair of the reason for failure; this is inaction, and allows appeal. ACTION US to appeal this decision.

    9. 14519 Ada Language Bindings
    10. Nothing additional to report.

    11. 13210, 14515-x Test Methods
    12. 14515-2 awaiting final editing to make it ready for publication.

    13. Guide For National Profiles and Locales
    14. N766 and N767 distributed. Substantial discussion regarding whether or not the draft they have produced should be IEEE copyright or ISO copyright, and how the PAR should be handled (e.g. change to IPAR). ACTION Convener and US to suggest that material being developed for P1494 and ISO 14766 is ready to become a draft document; and has been jointly developed. An appropriate copyright statement needs to be developed for such drafts.

    15. 22.15287 OSE Profile Projects
    16. Nothing additional to report on POSIX.10 or POSIX.13.

      The UK has nominated Dr Geoff Pickering as Project Editor for JTC1 N5158 (POSIX.23). WG15 approves this nomination.

    17. Completed Work and Year for Revision/Reaffirmation/Withdrawal

    TR14252 (POSIX.0) will need revision/reaffirmation/withdrawal in 2000.

  5. New Business
    1. Cultural Adaptability
    2. Cultural Adaptability workshop occurred in Canada in December. This item is FYI since everyone should be aware of this.

    3. NP For POSIX Additional Utilities
    4. Keld is willing to hold off this item for the moment in the light of the cooperation efforts.

    5. Convener
    6. As reported elsewhere, the convener is stepping down after the SC22 meeting in August. How can the work be handled if we do not have a convener. We have agreed on doing more electronically. We have agreed to go to an annual meeting. We have agreed to do more with PASC and TOG cooperatively.

      Lowell observed that the rapporteur group approach requires multiple leaders, whilst WG15 only needs one. Can we get an interim convener somehow?

      Canada observed that the convener must assume an international role, and that there were a number of single person delegations; if one of these countries were to change their delegate to convener, that country would lose its voice.

      UK moved to continue to seek a new convener until such a time as WG15 is disbanded. US seconded.

      ACTION All Member bodies to continue to actively seek candidates for WG15 convener, and to report these at the August SC22 meeting in Copenhagen.

       

    7. Year 2000

    Jim Isaak for information; there is a PASC project on Y2k definitions. This work is expected to complete in June. At that time it will be brought to JTC1 for fast track. UK asked how this might overlap with the BS on the same subject. It appears to be in the same space, and the BS is referenced. Technical overlap is unknown. Denmark also has similar activity going on, and would like to have input on 2000.2. ACTION Denmark to identify any experts on Y2K test methods and invite them to join the IEEE project.

  6. Review/Approval
    1. Resolutions
    2. All the following resolutions were approved without objection except where noted.

      98-390 Termination of WG15 Security Projects

      Whereas the U.S. Development body has ceased development of IEEE P1003.2c and IEEE P1003.1e, therefore

      WG15 requests SC22 to withdraw the corresponding work items JTC1.22.43 and JTC1.22.42.

      98-391 Forwarding of Documents (1003.1d and 1387.4)

      WG15 approves the forwarding of IEEE P1003.1d Draft 11 to SC22 for concurrent JTC1.22.40 PDAM registration and ballot.

      WG15 approves the forwarding of IEEE P1387.4 Draft 9 to SC22 for JTC1.22.21.03.03 CD ballot.

      98-392 Invitation to The Open Group

      Whereas there is value in using consistent numbering schemes for related documents, and whereas TOG has submitted and had approved as an IS a PAS submission which is related to a POSIX project but which is numbered differently, therefore, in the spirit of co-operation,

      WG15 invites TOG in future PAS submissions, where these might best be given a consistent number with current WG15 documents, to request WG15's assistance in obtaining from ITTF an appropriate document number before the PAS ballot.

       

      98-393 Records of Response

      WG15 approves the proposed Records of Responses contained in emails e1221, 1220, 1219, 1218, 1217, 1216, 1215, 1204, 1194, 1193, 1163, 1158, and 1157 (as consolidated) and requests that they be forwarded to SC22 for ballot.

      98-394 PAS Defect Report Process

      Whereas IS15879 has been approved as a PAS submission from TOG, and assigned to SC22/WG15, therefore

      WG15 recommends that defect reports on IS15879 be handled as follows:
      1 - Defect reports received be referred to TOG (see
      http://www.opengroup.org/interpretations/ for TOG process)
      2 - TOG to provide a recommendation back to WG15 for either a technical corrigenda or a record of response.

      98-395 Congratulations to The Open Group

      WG15 extends its congratulations to The Open Group on the occasion of approval of the first PAS submission as an International Standard.

      98-396 WG15 Participation in Co-ordination Small Groups

      WG15 appoints Jim Isaak, Nobuo Saito and Keld Simonsen as its representatives to the meeting planning issues group; Keld Simonsen, Nick Stoughton, and Jim Isaak to the procedures and process issues group; and, Lowell Johnson and Keld Simonsen to the POSIX .1 revision testbed group. All member bodies are invited to provide input to the question of "what do we do with existing work" to Roger Martin who will co-ordinate our response to PASC and TOG.

      98-397 Endorsement of the Common Expert Group Principle

      WG15 endorses the concept of having common technical working groups for the creation of future standards documents and recommends the use of its rapporteur group process as a vehicle to facilitate international participation in those groups, and authorizes the convenor to initiate the formation of such rapporteur groups as a result of the collaborative process.

      98-398 Meeting Schedule and Frequency

      WG15 resolves to move toward annual meetings to be held on a rotating basis in conjunction with IEEE PASC, SC22 and TOG as available.

      98-399 Project Editor

      WG15 recommends that SC22 appoint Dr. Geoff Pickering (UK) as Project Editor for the Guide for Developing User Organization OSE Profiles (IEEE P1003.23).

      98-400 Fasttrack of JTC1 22.15287.1

      Whereas, IEEE Std. 1003.10 has been an approved IEEE standard for over three years but has only recently been brought forward into the international arena for consideration,

      and whereas no action has yet been taken to implement resolution 97-385 forwarding this document for PDISP Registration and Final PDISP Ballot, therefore

      WG15 recommends that JTC1 22.15287.1 (IEEE Std. 1003.10) be submitted for fasttrack ballot if possible.
      OBJECTION from Denmark. APPROVE US, UK, CA, and JP.

      98-401 Help Wanted - Working Group Convenor

      Whereas WG15 feels that its work is of value and should be continued, therefore

      WG15 resolves to continue to seek nominations for the position of working group convenor until such time that one is found, and

      WG15 requests SC22's assistance in ensuring the continuation of WG15's work.

      98-402 Expression of Appreciation to the Host

      WG15 expresses its appreciation to the U.S. Member Body, and particularly to Mr. Roger Martin, for hosting an excellent meeting and a most entertaining and exciting dining experience.

      Appreciations also go to Mr. Roger Martin for acting as Chair and to Mr. Nick Stoughton (U.K.) for acting as Secretary of the meeting and to Keld Simonsen (Denmark) for supplying the LAN infrastructure.

      98-403 Expression of Appreciation to the Drafting Committee

      WG15 expresses its appreciation to the Canadian, United States and Danish delegations for supplying volunteers to the drafting committee (David Blackwood, Jim Oblinger, and Keld Simonsen), and for their excellent and most exhaustive work in recording the resolutions from this meeting.

       

       

    3. Action Items
    4. 9804-01 Japan - Provide URLs and other information they would like posted to the WG15 web page (Rolled over from 9510-08 on National Bodies and 9605-01 and 9610-01 and 9705-01 on Japan and Netherlands and 9710-01.) -- OPEN

      9804-02 Project Editor (Stephe Walli) - Call and conduct an editing meeting to create, approve, and forward to the SC22 Secretariat, a disposition of comments for IEEE 1003.2b (JTC1.22.41). (R 96-334) after a review by the U.S., Japan, and Denmark Member Bodies. A proposed record of response has been received via email in WG15 N754. An editing meeting must now be held via conference call or email. (See 9705-10.) (Rolled over from 9605-53, 9610-18, 9705-10, 9705-39 and 9710-03.) OPEN, editing meeting not yet held.

      9804-03 Project Editor (Keld Simonsen) - Prepare an example of an LIS function of 9945-1 using both IDL and LID. Distribute these examples to WG15, requesting Member Bodies to review and comment on the work. (Rolled over from 9610-52, 9705-23 and 9710-09.) OPEN awaiting distribution of response.

      9804-04 U.S. - Send the appropriate document corresponding to 22.21.03.02 Batch Services {2d/15a} to ITTF for publication. SC22 N2232 refers as the ballot summary. (OPEN until receipt by ITTF is confirmed.) (Rolled over from 9705-40 and 9710-12.)

      9804-05 All Project Editors - Ensure they have or obtain the current copy of their documents’ source, for archive purposes. (Rolled over from 9705-46 and 9710-13.)

      Keld Simonsen – CLOSED
      Don Folland – CLOSED
      Jim Oblinger - CLOSED
      Stephe Walli – OPEN
      Casey Schaufler – CLOSED
      Norm Aaronson – OPEN
      Michael Gonzales – CLOSED
      Shane McCarron – CLOSED
      Martin Kirk – CLOSED
      Jay Ashford – CLOSED
      Ted Baker – CLOSED
      Barry Hedquist - OPEN

      9804-06 All Member Bodies - Seek volunteers for the post of WG15 Convener, to run for three years from September 1998 at the latest. Applicants should have sponsorship from their employers and from their National Bodies. (Rolled over from 9705-55 and 9710-15) OPEN

      9804-07 Netherlands – Ask Willem Wakker if he would accept nomination as WG11 Liaison. (rolled over from 9710-26) OPEN

      9804-08 Netherlands,– Identify where in 9945-1 and/or 9945-2 changes may needed to accommodate the new Euro currency (rolled over from 9710-28). OPEN (on Netherlands only) – see 3.2 Euro considerations.

      9804-09 Project Editor (Stephe Walli) - Complete disposition of comments on Extensions to base (.1a) PDAM5. (rolled over from 9710-38) OPEN

      9804-10 U.S. - Forward the appropriate draft of CD 13210 Test Methods, when available, to the SC22 secretariat for DIS ballot. (rolled over from 9710-41) OPEN

      9804-11 U.S. - Investigate and report on the status of 1003.18 and make a recommendation on a possible division of work. (rolled over from 9710 44) OPEN

      9804-12 Convener – Request that SC22 propose a change to JTC1 rules to allow the use of fast track for amendments to base standards, Technical Reports and ISPs. (R97-381) (rolled over from 9710-47) OPEN

       

      New Action items arising from the Dallas Meeting:

      9804-13 Denmark to address Japan’s concerns expressed in N759 on the Cultural Convention Specifications.

      9804-14 Canada and Denmark - Investigate whether resources can be found to commence a new work item for the System Administration Overview (1387.1) project.

      9804-15 US in their plans for a revision of 1003.1 to take into account the subsetting by 1003.13, and to report back to WG15 how they propose to handle that.

      9804-16 Member Bodies to respond to the subsetting proposal in PDISP ballot to 15287-2 (aka 1003.13) and indicate whether such subsetting should be supported in the base standard.

      9804-17 US forward draft 11 of PDAM-8 {a.k.a. 1003.1d} for PDAM ballot at the same time as the IEEE ballot is started (in accordance with the sync plan)

      9804-18 Convener to prepare and forward a report on the Euro issue to SC22.

      9804-19 WG20 liaison (Keld) to post the WG20 liaison report, modified to remove the word POSIX from it, to the WG15 reflector.

      9804-20 WG14 Liaison (Keld) to post DTN-1 to the WG15 reflector.

      9804-21 Andrew Josey to sort E1247, e1221, e1220, e1219, e1218, e1217, e1216, e1215, e1204, e1194, e1193, e1163, e1158, e1157 into a single record of response and forward them to Keld to mount on the WG15 web site, and to continue doing this on an annual basis.

      9804-22 All Member Bodies to identify specific issue that need to be addressed w.r.t. work in progress and co-operative development TOG/PASC/WG15 and report these to Roger Martin by May 31.

      9804-23 TOG Liaison, Jim Isaak, Keld Simonsen and Pro Saito (the latter three as the WG15 representatives to the meeting small group) to investigate the possibilities of colocation with TOG in January, and to check the issue of colocation with SC22 in September 1999.

      9804-24 All Member Bodies to review and Comment on N768 (LIS Techniques) by August 1.

      9804-25 US to take appropriate corrective action w.r.t. DAM 4 to 9945-1 (a.k.a. 1003.1g).

      9804-26 Convener and US to suggest that material being developed for P1494 and ISO 14766 is ready to become a draft document; and has been jointly developed. An appropriate copyright statement needs to be developed for such drafts.

      9804-27 Convener to call for volunteers to chair the September 1999 meeting, and to act as vice-chair of the January 1999 meeting.

      9804-28 Convener to convey to SC22 the desire of WG15 to continue its work in whatever way possible, and to request SC22 to facilitate ways of involving technical experts in these important projects (R98-401).

       

      Actions Arising from Resolutions

      9804-29 Convener to notify SC22 that the US development body has ceased development on work items JTC1.22.42 and JTC1.22.43, and request that these work items be withdrawn. (R98-390)

      9804-30 Convener to communicate R98-392 and R98-395 to TOG for their information

      9804-31 Jim Isaak Keld Simonsens and Nobuo Saito to act as representatives of WG15 to the meeting planning coordiantion group and report progress as appropriate to the WG15 reflector

      9804-32 Keld Simonsen, Nick Stoughton and Jim Isaak to act as representatives of WG15 to the procedures coordination group and report progress as appropriate to the WG15 reflector

      9804-33 Lowell Johnson and Keld Simonsen to act as representatives of WG15 to the POSIX.1 revision planning coordination group and report progress as appropriate to the WG15 reflector

      9804-34 Convener to recommend to SC22 that Dr Geoff Pickering is appointed as Project Editor for New Project on User OSE Profiles (a.k.a. 1003.23)

      9804-35 Member bodies to continue to actively seek candidates for WG15 convener, and to report these no later than the August SC22 meeting in Copenhagen.

      9804-36 Member bodies to propose alternative methods for continuing and maintaining the work of WG15 if there is no convener, and to report these at the August SC22 meeting in Copenhagen.

       

       

    5. Issues List

     

  7. Closing Process
    1. Future Meeting Considerations
    2. The next meeting will be in January 1999, jointly with either PASC or TOG (or even with a joint PASC/TOG meeting if one is to take place by then). ACTION TOG Liaison, Jim Isaak, and Pro Saito (the latter two as the WG15 representatives to the meeting small group) to investigate the possibilities of colocation with TOG in January. The following meeting will be in conjunction with SC22 in September 1999. Meetings thereafter should be annually, rotating between TOG, PASC and SC22.

      The January 1999 will be chaired by the US. ACTION convener to call for volunteers to chair the September 1999 meeting, and to act as vice-chair of the January 1999 meeting.

    3. Document Number Assignment
    4. N759

      Japan AI Report

      N760

      Canada AI Report

      N761

      US AI Report

      N762

      UK AI Report

      N763

      Denmark AI Report

      N764

      TOG AI report and Liaison Statement

      N765

      Convener

      N766

      Minutes of October 97 meeting of Ad Hoc on National Profiles

      N767

      Working Draft 14766/D2

      N768

      LIS Techniques

      N769

      Minutes – Dallas 1998

       

    5. Selection of Vice Chair/Secretary for Next Meeting
    6. Agenda For Next Meeting
    7. Thanks To Host

    See R98-402.

  8. Adjournment

The meeting was adjourned at 10.42am (Mountain Daylight Time, 11.42 Central Daylight time)