From owner-sc22docs@open-std.org Tue Sep 14 21:54:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22docs-domo Delivered-To: sc22docs-domo@ghz.klid.dk Received: by ghz.klid.dk (Postfix, from userid 521) id E8CB337647; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:54:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-To: sc22info@open-std.org Delivered-To: sc22docs@ghz.klid.dk Received: from email1.ansi.org (outbound.ansi.org [12.15.192.5]) by ghz.klid.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2A037638 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:54:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: by rpb2.nycrnybb.ispnetinc.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <3FGJX93Y>; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:53:53 -0400 Message-ID: From: Sally Seitz To: sc22info@open-std.org Subject: N3811-Recording Secretary's Meeting Report on the Future Directio ns for SC 22 Ad Hoc Session, 6 September 2004 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:53:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C49A94.8FACF290" Sender: owner-sc22docs@open-std.org Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C49A94.8FACF290 Content-Type: text/plain ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 Programming languages, their environments and system software interfaces Secretariat: U.S.A. (ANSI) ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 N3811 TITLE: Recording Secretary's Meeting Report of the Future Directions for SC 22 Ad Hoc Session, 6 September 2004 DATE ASSIGNED: 2004-09-15 SOURCE: Ad Hoc Recording Secretary (S. Seitz) BACKWARD POINTER: DOCUMENT TYPE: Meeting Report PROJECT NUMBER: STATUS: This document was prepared by the Ad Hoc Recording Secretary. ACTION IDENTIFIER: FYI DUE DATE: DISTRIBUTION: TEXT CROSS REFERENCE: DISTRIBUTION FORM: open Sally Seitz ANSI 25 West 43rd Street New York, NY 10036 Telephone: (212) 642-4918 Fax: (212) 840-2298 Email: sseitz@ansi.org ___________________end of cover page, beginning of document____________ Ad Hoc on Future SC 22 Direction 6 September 2004 Convener-Jonathan Hodgson It was noted that the agenda for the meeting, as well as a contribution to the Ad Hoc by Jim Moore would be assigned SC 22 document numbers and circulated. Mr. Hodgson began the discussion by listing four topics that SC 22 could explore as future project areas: 1.) Inter-language communication 2.) High Integrity applications 3.) New functionality; e.g. to simplify parallel processing, high-performance computing, distributed data or distributed processing 4.) New languages Members of the Ad Hoc suggested the following as possible future project areas: 1.) Standards education 2.) Functionality 3.) Uniformity of interfaces (please note TR 18037) The topic of LINUX was brought up, but quickly tabled by the convener as there is time assigned to the SC 22 Plenary Agenda for this discussion. Mr. Hodgson began with a contribution from Mr. Moore, which suggested the creation of a new work group in SC 22, with the suggested scope of the development of language independent and cross-language guidance for the selection and use of programming languages in high-integrity systems. Mr. Moore's proposal outlined the following projects that could be considered by the WG: 1.) A guide to selecting a programming language suitable to a high-integrity usage. 2.) A comparison of programming language characteristics suitable to high integrity usage 3.) Standards for meta-language constructions-e.g. assertions and other mechanisms for demonstrating correctness in a manner that is uniform or comparable across programming languages. 4.) Standards for subsets, profiles of dialects of programming languages suitable for high-integrity applications 5.) Guidance for usage of programming languages in a manner suitable for high-integrity applications. Members of the Ad Hoc looked favorably upon the idea of this new WG, but agreed that this step is at least a year away. The group must consider all other areas of future projects before proposing a new WG. The Convener explained that his intention for the group was to come up with a list of topics that could be explored in the coming year before next year's SC 22 Plenary meeting. He anticipates that a meeting of this group could take place in six months time to explore any findings. It was noted by the Japanese delegation that perhaps the creation of an Ad Hoc is not necessary. SC 22 could continue as it has been, with new project areas being proposed as New Work Item Proposals by either National Bodies or WGs. The role of this Ad Hoc should be a brainstorming session to encourage NBs and WGs to propose New Work Items. The Chair of SC 22 noted his desire for new project areas to be explored by the subcommittee, as the last area of new work began thirteen years ago. Currently, SC 22 is maintaining and improving languages and projects already in existence. The Free Standards Group suggested that the SC 22 explore doing work on libraries, more specifically, a standard on what a library should contain and the interfaces that should be used.. The Convener noted that many industries and domains are modifying languages to suit their needs. These groups need to be made aware that SC 22 can assist with the development of languages, or modifications to languages, that can suit their needs. These comments began a discussion on the importance of educating those outside of SC 22 on the work of the committee. It was agreed that more emphasis must be put on educating corporations and consortia on the work of SC 22. It was suggested that an informal workshop be included into the Plenary schedule for next year's SC 22 meeting, but it was quickly agreed that the target audience would not be reached. It was suggested that such a "workshop" be offered in conjunction with some other conference or meeting. The idea of corporate sponsorship of WGs was brought up, and it was agreed that the creation of a list containing all the corporations who have sponsored WG meetings in the last five years be compiled. This list could serve as a basis for where SC 22 educational "workshops" could be marketed. Further discussion ensued on the high visibility and usage of the SC 22 WG sites, as explored in the Google search engine. It was agreed that this data shows value in the SC 22 sites, it does not mean that the SC 22 message is reaching all that it needs to. The Ad Hoc concluded with the following four topics that would be explored further, along with the Ad Hoc members who volunteered to explore them and create a report by 15 January 2004 on the risks and benefits of further exploration by SC 22 or it's Ad Hoc on Future Directions: 1.) High Integrity Systems-Jim Moore 2.) Libraries-Jonathan Hodgson 3.) Workshop Outreach 4.) Industry Consortia-John Hill The Ad Hoc Convener noted his willingness to host the next meeting of the participants, be it in one Ad Hoc or four Ad Hocs separated by topic, in Pennsylvania in February 2005. It was also noted that a call for contributions would be issued with a closing date two months prior to the meeting. Only topics that have a written contribution associated with them will be discussed at the meeting. If no such contributions are received, the meeting will be cancelled. This will assist in keeping the discussions focused and controlled. The meeting concluded with the SC 22 Chair expressing his gratitude to the Convener, Mr. Hogdson, for a job well done. Sally Seitz Program Administrator ANSI 25 West 43rd Street New York, NY 10036 Phone: (212) 642-4918 Fax: (212) 840-2298 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C49A94.8FACF290 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

ISO/IEC JTC = 1/SC22

Programming languages, their environments = and system software interfaces

Secretariat:  U.S.A.  = (ANSI)

 

ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 = N3811

 

TITLE:

Recording Secretary's Meeting Report of the Future Directions for SC 22 Ad Hoc Session, 6 September = 2004

 

DATE ASSIGNED:

2004-09-15

 

SOURCE:

Ad Hoc Recording Secretary (S. = Seitz)

 

BACKWARD = POINTER:

 

DOCUMENT TYPE:

Meeting Report

 

PROJECT NUMBER:

 

STATUS:

This document was prepared by the Ad Hoc = Recording Secretary. 

 

 

ACTION = IDENTIFIER:

FYI

 

DUE DATE:

 

DISTRIBUTION:

TEXT

 

CROSS = REFERENCE:

 

DISTRIBUTION = FORM:

open

 

Sally = Seitz

ANSI

25 West 43rd = Street

New York, NY  10036

Telephone:  (212) = 642-4918

Fax:          &n= bsp;  (212) 840-2298

Email:  sseitz@ansi.org

 

___________________end of cover page, = beginning of document____________

 

 

Ad Hoc on Future SC 22 Direction

6 September 2004

Convener-Jonathan = Hodgson

 

It was noted that the agenda for the meeting, as well as a = contribution to the Ad Hoc by Jim Moore would be assigned SC 22 document numbers and circulated.

 

Mr. Hodgson began the discussion by listing four topics that SC = 22 could explore as future project areas:

1.)    = Inter-language communication

2.)    = High Integrity applications

3.)    = New functionality; e.g. to simplify parallel processing, high-performance computing, distributed data or distributed processing

4.)    = New languages

 

Members of the Ad Hoc suggested the following as possible = future project areas:

1.)    = Standards education

2.)    = Functionality

3.)    = Uniformity of interfaces (please note TR 18037)

 

The topic of LINUX was brought up, but quickly tabled by the = convener as there is time assigned to the SC 22 Plenary Agenda for this = discussion.

 

Mr. Hodgson began with a contribution from Mr. Moore, which suggested the creation of a new work group in SC 22, with = the suggested scope of the development = of language independent and cross-language guidance for the selection and = use of programming languages in high-integrity systems.  Mr. Moore's proposal outlined the following projects that could be = considered by the WG:

1.)    = A guide to selecting a programming language suitable to a high-integrity = usage.

2.)    = A comparison of programming language characteristics suitable to high = integrity usage

3.)    = Standards for meta-language constructions-e.g. assertions and other mechanisms = for demonstrating correctness in a manner that is uniform or comparable = across programming languages.

4.)    = Standards for subsets, profiles of dialects of programming languages suitable for high-integrity applications

5.)    = Guidance for usage of programming languages in a manner suitable for = high-integrity applications.

 

Members of the Ad Hoc looked favorably upon the idea of this = new WG, but agreed that this step is at least a year away.  The group must consider all other areas of future projects before proposing a new = WG.

 

The Convener explained that his intention for the group was to = come up with a list of topics that could be explored in the coming year before = next year's SC 22 Plenary meeting.  He anticipates that a meeting of = this group could take place in six months time to explore any = findings. 

 

It was noted by the Japanese delegation that perhaps the = creation of an Ad Hoc is not necessary.  SC 22 could continue as it has been, = with new project areas being proposed as New Work Item Proposals by either = National Bodies or WGs.  The role of this Ad Hoc should be a brainstorming = session to encourage NBs and WGs to propose New Work Items.  =

 

The Chair of SC 22 noted his desire for new project areas to be explored by the subcommittee, as the last area of new work began = thirteen years ago.  Currently, SC 22 is maintaining and improving languages and = projects already in existence. 

 

The Free Standards Group suggested that the SC 22 explore doing = work on libraries, more specifically, a standard on what a library should = contain and the interfaces that should be used..

 

The Convener noted that many industries and domains are = modifying languages to suit their needs.  These groups need to be made aware = that SC 22 can assist with the development of languages, or modifications to = languages, that can suit their needs.  These comments began a discussion on = the importance of educating those outside of SC 22 on the work of the = committee.

 

It was agreed that more emphasis must be put on educating = corporations and consortia on the work of SC 22.  It was suggested that an = informal workshop be included into the Plenary schedule for next year's SC 22 meeting, = but it was quickly agreed that the target audience would not be = reached.  It was suggested that such a "workshop" be offered in conjunction with some other conference or meeting. 

 

The idea of corporate sponsorship of WGs was brought up, and it = was agreed that the creation of a list containing all the corporations who = have sponsored WG meetings in the last five years be compiled.  This = list could serve as a basis for where SC 22 educational "workshops" could be marketed. 

 

Further discussion ensued on the high visibility and usage of = the SC 22 WG sites, as explored in the Google search engine.  It was agreed = that this data shows value in the SC 22 sites, it does not mean that the SC = 22 message is reaching all that it needs to.  =

 

The Ad Hoc concluded with the following four topics that would = be explored further, along with the Ad Hoc members who volunteered to = explore them and create a report by 15 January 2004 on the risks and benefits of = further exploration by SC 22 or it's Ad Hoc on Future = Directions:

1.)    = High Integrity Systems-Jim Moore

2.)    = Libraries-Jonathan Hodgson

3.)    = Workshop Outreach

4.)    = Industry Consortia-John = Hill

 

The Ad Hoc Convener noted his willingness to host the next = meeting of the participants, be it in one Ad Hoc or four Ad Hocs separated by = topic, in Pennsylvania = in February 2005.  It was also noted that a call for contributions would be = issued with a closing date two months prior to the meeting.  Only topics = that have a written contribution associated with them will be discussed at = the meeting.  If no such contributions are received, the meeting will = be cancelled.  This will assist in keeping the discussions focused = and controlled.


The meeting concluded with the SC 22 Chair expressing his gratitude to = the Convener, Mr. Hogdson, for a job well done.  =

 

 

 

 

Sally = Seitz

Program = Administrator

ANSI

25 = West 43rd Street

New = York, NY 10036<= /p>

Phone: (212) 642-4918

Fax: (212) 840-2298

 

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