From rinehuls@Radix.Net Wed Sep 29 17:44:08 1999 Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dkuug.dk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA69333; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:44:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rinehuls@Radix.Net) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA27551; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:44:54 -0400 (EDT) From: William Rinehuls Reply-To: William Rinehuls To: sc22info@dkuug.dk cc: keld simonsen Subject: SC22 N3012 - Minutes of SC22 Plenary, September 20-23, 1999 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII _______________________ beginning of title page _______________________ ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 Programming languages, their environments and system software interfaces Secretariat: U.S.A. (ANSI) ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 N3012 TITLE: Minutes of the Twelfth Plenary Meeting of ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 on September 20-23, 1999 in Berlin, Germany DATE ASSIGNED: 1999-09-28 SOURCE: Secretariat, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 BACKWARD POINTER: N/A DOCUMENT TYPE: Meeting Minutes PROJECT NUMBER: N/A STATUS: N/A ACTION IDENTIFIER: FYI DUE DATE: N/A DISTRIBUTION: Text CROSS REFERENCE: SC22 N3011, N3013, N3014 DISTRIBUTION FORM: Open Address reply to: ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 Secretariat William C. Rinehuls 8457 Rushing Creek Court Springfield, VA 22153 USA Telephone: +1 (703) 912-9680 Fax: +1 (703) 912-9680 email: rinehuls@radix.net ______________________ end of title page; beginning of minutes _________ MINUTES OF THE TWELFTH PLENARY OF ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 BERLIN, GERMANY September 20-23, 1999 1. OPENING OF THE MEETING The Chairman of JTC 1/SC22, Mr. Robert Follett, officially opened the Twelfth Plenary of JTC 1/SC22 at 1000 hours on September 20, 1999. Dr. Ingo Wende welcomed the delegates to Berlin and then invited the delegates to a dinner in their honor on Tuesday, September 21, 1999. Dr. Wende presented a short presentation on the structure and responsibilities of DIN. 2. CHAIRMAN'S REMARKS Mr. Follett indicated that he would discuss the meeting plans under Agenda Item 5. and provide more extensive remarks concerning SC22 under Agenda Item 7.1. Mr. Follett also noted that his term of office is completed at the end of this meeting. The JTC 1 Directives stipulate that two terms is the normal maximum. Accordingly, this will be his last plenary meeting as SC22 Chairman. See also Agenda Item 13.6. 3. ROLL CALL OF DELEGATES The list of delegates in attendance at the Eleventh Plenary of JTC 1/SC22 is documented in SC22 N3014. 4. APPOINTMENT OF DRAFTING COMMITTEE The following delegates were appointed to the drafting committee: Mr. Isak Korn - Chairman Dr. Miles Ellis Mr. Toshiaki Kurokawa Mr. Akio Kido Mr. Roger Martin Mr. Keld Simonsen 5. ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA The revised agenda for the meeting, contained in SC22 N2998, as revised, was adopted. (The final agenda for the meeting as adopted is contained in document SC22 N3011.) 6. REPORT OF THE SECRETARIAT Mr. William Rinehuls, Secretariat of SC22, referred delegates to document SC22 N2919, the Secretariat Report for this meeting, noting that Australia has changed its membership category from "P-member" to "O-member" (SC22 N2953). There are currently 21 P-members and 21 O-members. Mr. Rinehuls requested that all Conveners provide him with corrections and updates to the Convener and Project Editor personnel sections of the SC22 Secretariat Report before the end of the meeting. 6.1 SC22 Project Information Mr. Rinehuls referred delegates to document SC22 N2920, the updated SC22 Program of Work. He requested all Conveners to provide him with corrections and updates related to their respective projects before the end of the meeting. In this regard, Mr. Follett requested that all dates should be forecast for all projects since JTC 1 wants a complete schedule. He requested the Drafting Committee to prepare a resolution approving the revised Program of Work with the new projected dates. See Resolution 98-1. 6.2 Outstanding Actions From the Eleventh Plenary of SC22 The following resolutions of the Tenth Plenary were discussed: Resolution 98-4: It was noted that WG21 has prepared an NP concerning basic hardware I/O addressing. Resolution 98-17. It was noted that WG20 has begun maintenance work on ISO/IEC IS 15897:1998. The delegates agreed that there were no action items outstanding from the Tenth Plenary. The following resolutions of the Ninth Plenary were discussed: Resolution 97-22. It was noted that the Concurrent PDTR Registration and PDTR Letter Ballot for Interfacing Modula-2 to C have not yet been conducted. Resolution 97-23. It was noted that the Concurrent PDTR Registration and PDTR Letter Ballot for APIs for Internationalization have not yet been conducted. 6.3 JTC 1/SC22 Standing Documents Mr. Rinehuls noted that the Standing Documents List is contained in document SC22 N2950. 6.4 SC22 Electronic Document Distribution Mr. Rinehuls discussed the contamination of the SC22 electronic document distribution web site early this summer and the actions he has taken, in coordination with Mr. Keld Simonsen who maintains the SC22 web sites, to resolve the problem. 7. ACTIVITY REPORTS 7.1 Report from the Chairman Mr. Follett referred delegates to document SC22 N2880 which contains his report on the JTC 1 Plenary in Rio de Janiero, Brazil in January 1999 and document SC22 N2883 contains the resolutions from that meeting. Mr. Follett noted that several items of special interest: a. A two-year extension has been granted to the trail period during which draft documents, up to but not including DIS, can be made freely available in electronic form. JTC 1 has also been given authority to approve certain types of documents for free availability on the web; however JTC 1 still requires justification for free availability; however, the process is much simpler and faster than before. The list of the types of documents for free availability is contained in document SC22 N2880. b. JTC 1 has moved from a nine month to a twelve month meeting schedule. c. JTC 1 established a deadline of October 1, 1999 for items for the agenda for the JTC 1 Plenary in November, allowing SC22 only a week to get any documents from this Plenary to the JTC 1 Secretariat. d. JTC 1 has established a new meeting format and eliminated the SC Chairmans' Forum. The purpose of the new meeting format is to provide more time for the SC Chairmen to highlight the work of their Subcommittees during the JTC 1 meeting. See also Agenda Item 12.5. e. The three actions required by SC22 in response to JTC 1 requests from the JTC 1 Plenary are Agenda Items 12.1, 12.2 and 12.3. Mr. Follett also noted that he had chaired the Ballot Resolution Meeting on DIS 16509 - Year 2000 Terminology. 7.2 National Reports The following National activity reports were presented: Canada - N3006 Denmark - N3005 Finland - N2985 France - N2989 Germany - N3003 Ireland - N2986 Japan - N2983 Netherlands - N3004 (See Resolution 99-9.) Norway - N2980 United Kingdom - N2990 USA - N2987 The following National activity reports were provided, in the absence of any delegation. These reports were reviewed: Austria - N3002 Ireland - N2986 7.3 LIAISON REPORTS - EXTERNAL TO ISO/IEC JTC 1 7.3.1 CCE - Commission of the European Community Mr. Korn gave a verbal report on CCE activities. 7.3.2 CIRF - International Institution for Production Engineering Research No report from CIRF was received. 7.3.3 ECMA - European Computer Manufacturers Association No report from ECMA was received. (See Resolution 99-22.) 7.3.4 EWICS - European Workshop on Industrial Computer Systems No report from EWICS was received. 7.3.5 IFIP - International Federation for Information Processing Professor Kakehi and Mr. Walter gave verbal reports on those IFIP activities dealing with SC22-related matters. 7.3.5.1 IFIP TC2 The report of those TC2 activities dealing with SC22-related matters, prepared by Professor Kakehi, is contained in documents N2991 and N2992. Professor Kakehi presented the report. 7.3.6 ITU - International Telecommunications Union No report from ITU was received. 7.4 REPORT OF LIAISON OFFICERS 7.4.1 Liaison Officer to SC2 No report of activity was prepared by Mr. Van Wingen for this plenary. However, Mr. van Wingen did provide some information in document SC22 N2997 which included his desire to relinquish this liaison activity. (See Resolutions 99-23 and 99-26). 7.4.2 Liaison Officer to SC7 Mr. Korn provided a verbal liaison report. In this report, Mr. Korn noted that he was not able to attend all of the SC7 meetings, and the Chairman noted that Mr. James Moore was a regular participant in SC7. Mr. Moore agreed to appointment as the new SC22 liaison to SC7. (See Resolution 99-23.) 7.4.3 Liaison Officer to SC29 The report of activity prepared by Dr. Ellis is contained in document SC22 N2963. Dr. Ellis presented the report. He noted that, since he will no longer be directly involved in the work of SC22, a new liaison officer should be appointed. However, in the absence of a volunteer for this liaison, Dr. Ellis would be willing to continue by correspondence. SC22 accepted the kind offer of Dr. Ellis to continue. See Resolution 99-23.) 7.4.4 Liaison Officer to SC32 Mr. Korn provided a verbal liaison report. 7.4.5 Potential SC22 Liaisons No potential SC22 liaisons were identifier. 7.5 COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT REPORTS 7.5.1 CEN TC 304 Mr. Simonsen gave a verbal report of current CEN TC 304 activity. This report was supplemented by a written report of activity provided by Mr. Marc Kuester in document SC22 N3009. 8. WORKING GROUP BUSINESS PLANS AND REPORTS 8.1 WG3 - APL The report of activity and business plan prepared by Dr. Dickey, Convener of WG3, is contained in document N2999. Mr. Michell presented the report. At the 1998 SC22 Plenary, SC22 agreed to seriously consider cancellation of Projects JTC 1.22.09.02 and JTC 1.22.24.02 at the 1999 SC22 Plenary if they had not advanced to the CD stage by that time. See Resolution 99-11. 8.1.1 Status of DIS 13751 Mr. Follett noted paragraph 12.7.4.2 of the JTC 1 Procedures which specifies: "If the revised text is not returned to ITTF within a period of twelve months, the DIS shall be resubmitted for NB voting as in 12.7.3.2." Since DIS 13751 was not returned to ITTF for publication within twelve months of JTC 1 balloting, a reballot of the DIS would be required. 8.2 WG4 - COBOL The report of activity and business plan, prepared by Ms. Wallace, Convener of WG4, is contained in document N2974. In her absence, and at her request, Mr Rinehuls presented this report. In Ms. Wallace's absence her request contained in the report for a short working session with WG20 participants was not held. 8.3 WG5 - Fortran The report of activity and business plan, prepared by Dr. Ellis, Convener of WG5, is contained in document SC22 N2942. Dr. Ellis presented this report. 8.3.1 Extension of Schedule for Project JTC 1.22.02.01.01 This request is contained in document SC22 N2942. See Resolution 99-14. 8.3.2 Request for Concurrent Registration and Approval of Revised PDTR 15580 This request is contained in document SC22 N2942. See Resolution 99-15. 8.3.3 Request for Concurrent Registration and Approval of Revised PDTR 15581 This request is contained in document SC22 N2942. See Resolution 99-15. 8.4 WG9 - Ada The report of activity and business plan, prepared by Mr. Moore, Convener of WG9, is contained in document SC22 N2947. Mr. Moore presented this report. 8.5 WG11 - Binding Techniques The report of activity and business plan, prepared by Mr. Wakker, Convener of WG11, are contained in document SC22 N2939. Mr. Wakker presented these reports. 8.6 WG13 - Modula-2 The report of activity and business plan, prepared by Dr. Schoenhacker, Convener of WG13, is contained in document SC22 N2962. 8.7 WG14 - C The report of activity and business plan, prepared by Mr. Benito, Convener of WG14, is contained in document SC22 N2956. Mr. Benito presented the report. 8.8 WG15 - POSIX The report of activity and business plan, prepared by Mr. Oblinger, Convener of WG15, is contained in document SC22 N2973. Mr. Oblinger presented the report. 8.8.1 Request for Concurrent CD Registration and CD Ballot for Project JTC 1.22.18011 This request is contained in document SC22 N2973. See Resolution 99-15. 8.8.2 Request for Withdrawal of Project JTC 1.22.21.03.03 This request is contained in document SC22 N2973. See Resolution 99-16. 8.8.3 C Language Incompatibilities The discussion of possible incompatibilities between DIS 9899 (C Language Standard) and ISO/IEC IS 9945-1 and ISO/IEC IS 9945-2 is contained in document SC22 N2973. Messrs Oblinger and Benito noted that this problem has been resolved. 8.9 WG16 - Lisp The report of activity and business plan, prepared by Mr. Parquier, Convener of WG16, is contained in document SC22 N2969. Mr. Parquier presented the report. 8.10 WG17 - Prolog The report of activity and business plan, prepared by Mr. Scowen, Convener of WG17, is contained in document SC22 N2938. Mr. Scowen presented the report. 8.10.1 Approval of New WG17 Convener This request is contained in document SC22 N2938. See Resolution 99-20. 8.10.2 Appointment of Project Editor for Project JTC 1.22.22.01 This request is contained in document SC22 N2938. See Resolution 99-21. 8.11 WG19 - Formal Specification Languages The report of activity and business plan, prepared by Mr. Wordsworth, Convener of WG19, is contained in document SC22 N2958. Mr. Wordsworth presented the report. 8.11.1 Request for Concurrent CD Registration and CD Ballot for Project JTC 1.22.29.02 This request is contained in document SC22 N2958. See Resolution 99-12. 8.12 WG20 - Internationalization The report of activity and business plan, prepared by Mr. Winkler, Convener of WG20, is contained in document SC22 N2921. Mr. Winkler presented the report. 8.12.1 Request for Liaison with ISO TC46/SC2 This request is contained in document SC22 N2921. The Statement of Mutual Benefits and Responsibilities is contained in document SC22 N2922. See Resolution 99-13. 8.12.2 Request for Liaison with the World Wide Web Consortium This request is contained in document SC22 N2921. The Statement of Mutual Benefits and Responsibilities is contained in document SC22 N2923. See Resolution 99-13. 8.12.3 Appointment of Project Editor for Project JTC 1.22.13.1 This request is contained in document SC22 N2921. See Resolution 99-21. 8.12.4 Request for Concurrent CD Registration and FCD Ballot for Project JTC 1.22.15897 This request is contained in document SC22 N2921. See Resolution 99-15. 8.12.5 Ireland Request for Transfer of Project JTC 1.22.30.02.02 This request is contained in document SC22 N2986. Mr. LaBonte, reporting on behalf of the Ireland Member Body, reported that the Ireland Member Body considers the issue temporarily resolved, although they still feel that SC22 should recommend the transfer of this project to SC2 as soon as the current development activity is completed. 8.12.6 Japan Request for Discussion of WG20 CD/FCD Processing Professor Kakehi presented this request which is contained in document SC22 N2993. It was noted that the issues raised with respect to WG20 also apply to other SC22 Working Groups. Mr. Winkler, Convener of SC22/WG20, provided a suggested revision of the WG20 internal procedures to accommodate the Japan Member Body request. This suggested revision will be circulated to WG20 as document WG20 N697. See Resolutions 99-5 and 99-7. 8.13 WG21 - C++ The report of activity and business plan, prepared by Dr. Plum, Convener of WG21, is contained in document SC22 N2941. Dr. Plum presented the report. 8.14 SC22/JSG The report of activity prepared by Mr. Mathis, Convener of SC22/JSG, is contained in document SC22 N2994. See Resolution 99-10. 9. PROJECT EDITOR REPORTS 9.1 Basic The report of activity, prepared by Dr. Kurtz, is contained in document SC22 N2932. 9.2 Pascal The report of activity, prepared by Mr. Hetherington, is contained in document SC22 N2943. 9.3 PL/I The report of activity, prepared by Dr. Klensin, is contained in document SC22 N2995. 9.4 PCTE The report of activity, prepared by Mr. Dawes, is contained in document SC22 N2940. 10. AD HOC MEETINGS SC22 identified one topic requiring ad hoc group discussion: increasing participation in SC22 Working Groups. 10.1 Increasing Participation in Working Groups The Chairman of the Ad Hoc, Mr. John Hill, reported on the results of the work session of this group. See also Agenda Item 12.3 and Resolution 99-6. 11. DIN PRESENTATION ON PEARL Prof. Dr. Georg Thiele presented a presentation on the PEARL programming language and the standardization activities in this regard under way in Germany. See Resolution 99-31. 12. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION 12.1 Extension of Trial Period for Normative Referencing of Specifications Other Than International Standards Document SC22 N2884 is a request from JTC 1 for comments on extending the trial period for normative referencing of specifications other than international standards. Document SC22 N2966 is a draft response prepared by Mr. Rinehuls from the comments received from the SC22 Working Group Conveners. Document SC22 N3008 is the SC22 approved response. See Resolution 99-3. 12.2 JTC 1 Request for Metrics of JTC 1 Accomplishments Document SC22 N2885 is a request from JTC 1 for submission of metrics that might be used to measure JTC 1 accomplishments. Document SC22 N2970 is a draft response prepared by Mr. Rinehuls from comments received from the SC22 Working Group Conveners. See Resolution 99-4. 12.3 JTC 1 Request for Input on Strategic Planning Document SC22 N2887 is a request from JTC 1 for contributions regarding future strategic orientation of JTC 1. Document SC22 N2968 is a draft response prepared by Mr. Rinehuls, based on the lack of any contributions from the SC22 Working Group Conveners. Document SC22 N3010 is the SC22 approved response. See also Agenda Item 10.1 and Resolution 99-6. 12.4 SC22 Business Plan Document SC22 N3001 is the draft SC22 Business Plan prepared by Mr. Follett. Document SC22 N3007 is the approved SC22 Business Plan. See Resolution 99-2. 12.5 SC22 Presentation to ISO/IEC JTC 1 Document SC22 N2978 from the JTC 1 Chairman iterates what type of presentation is expected from the Subcommittee Chairmen at the next JTC 1 plenary. This request explains the new format for the presentations the Subcommittee Chairmen will give at the JTC 1 Plenary highlighting important areas of work. In the following discussion, a number of suggestions were made of areas to be covered in the SC22 presentation. 12.6 Request to Make ISO/IEC 16509 Publicly Available In his Convener's Report from the Ballot Resolution Meeting on IS 16509 (SC22 N2944), Mr. Follett detailed the ballot resolution group's recommendation that SC22 consider requesting that IS 16509 be made publicly available on the world wide web. It was noted that the IEEE standard upon which IS 16509 is based is already freely available as is the United Kingdom public document. See Resolution 99-8. 13. SC22 ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUES 13.1 Review of Five-Year Meeting Schedule Future plenaries of SC22 are scheduled as follows 2000 - Nara, Japan - September 12-15, 2000 (confirmed) 2001 - Vienna, Austria (tentative) 2002 - Finland (tentative) 2003 - Brussels, Belgium (tentative) - Mr. Korn is making arrangements 13.2 Standards for Periodic Review In each case, SC22 determined whether the standard should be confirmed, withdrawn, or revised. 13.2.1 IS 8652:1995 - Programming Language Ada See Resolution 99-19. 13.2.2 IS 12227:1995 - SQL Ada Module Description Language See Resolution 99-19. 13.2.3 IS 13211:1995 - Prolog, Part 1 See Resolution 99-19. 13.2.4 IS 6160:1979 - Programming Language PL/I See Resolution 99-19. 13.2.5 IS 7185:1990 - Programming Language Pascal See Resolution 99-19. 13.3 Retention of Projects Not Reaching CD Stage Within Three Years of NP Approval The JTC 1 Directives require the Subcommittee to consider, either by letter ballot or plenary vote, whether the project should be retained (giving specific justification) and advise the JTC 1 Secretariat of the results of this consideration. The JTC 1 Directives also specify that "if the SC fails to act, then the project shall automatically be canceled by the JTC 1 Secretariat." (See Section 6.4.1.5) Document SC22 N2926 contains the list of projects applicable to SC22. See Resolutions 99-11, 99-12, 99-16 and 99-17. 13.4 Retention of Projects Not Reaching DIS Stage Within Four Years of Reaching CD The JTC 1 Directives require the Subcommittee to consider, either by letter ballot or plenary vote, whether the project should be retained (giving specific justification) and advise the JTC 1 Secretariat of the results of this consideration. The JTC 1 Directives also specifies that "depending on the comments received, the (JTC 1) Secretariat shall decide whether this work item should be eliminated or should continue to remain on the programme of work." (See Section 6.4.1.6) Document SC22 N2927 contains the project applicable to SC22. See Resolution 99-18. 13.5 Working Group Conveners Appointments/Reappointments Mr. Follett called the attention of the SC22 delegates to Paragraph 5.4 of the JTC 1 Directives which specifies: "Before appointment or reappointment, the nomination of a Convener shall be endorsed by the Convener's NB and the NB shall confirm to the parent body, with a copy to JTC 1 if JTC 1 is not the parent body, that the nominee has the necessary resources and administrative support to carry out the responsibilities assigned to a Convener. 13.5.1 WG5 (Mr. Ellis) Document SC22 N2942 contains a notification from Mr. Ellis that he is not a candidate for continuing as Convener of WG5. It was announced that Mr. John Reid (UK) had volunteered as a candidate for WG5 Convener, however, official notification from the USA had not yet been received. See Resolution 99-20. 13.5.2 WG11 (Mr. Wakker) Mr. Wakker has volunteered to continue as the Convener of WG11 for another term, however official notification from the Netherlands has not yet been received. See Resolution 99-20. 13.5.3 WG13 (Mr. Schoenhacker) Mr. Schoenhacker has volunteered to continue as the Convener of WG13 for another term, however official notification from Austria has not yet been received. See Resolution 99-20. 13.5.4 WG14 (Mr. Benito) Mr. Benito has volunteered to continue as the Convener of WG14 for another term, however, official notification from the USA has not yet been received. See Resolution 99-20. 13.5.5 WG16 (Mr. Parquier) Mr. Parquier has volunteered to continue as the Convener of WG16 for another term. Document SC22 N2988 is the official endorsement from France. See Resolution 99-20. 13.5.6 WG20 (Mr. Winkler) Mr. Winkler has volunteered to continue as the Convener of WG20 for another term. Document SC22 N2964 is the official endorsement from the USA. See Resolution 99-20. 13.5.7 WG21 (Mr. Plum) Mr. Plum has volunteered to continue as the Convener of WG21 for another term; however, official notification from the USA has not yet been received. See Resolution 99-20. 13.5.8 JSG (Mr. Mathis) Document SC22 N2994, from Mr. Mathis, contains his agreement to continue as JSG Convener. It was noted that he has the support necessary to continue. See Resolution 99-10. 13.6 Status of SC22 Chairman Position Noting that the term of office of Mr. Follett ends at the close of this Plenary meeting and noting that the USA has not yet nominated an individual to assume this position on a permanent basis, Mr. Rinehuls (in accordance with Paragraph 5.4.1.2 of the JTC 1 Directives) nominated Mr. John Hill as the Acting Chairman of SC22. He requested SC22 endorsement of this appointment. See Resolutions 99-25 and 99-30. Mr. Rinehuls further noted that at such time as the USA nominates an individual to assume the SC22 Chairman position on a permanent basis, he will nominate that individual as Acting Chairman and issue an SC22 Letter Ballot for SC22 endorsement. It was noted that appointment by ISO/IEC JTC 1 can only be made at an ISO/IEC JTC 1 Plenary. 14. OTHER BUSINESS There was no other business discussed. 15. APPROVAL OF RESOLUTIONS AND STATEMENT OF RESULTS Resolutions 99-1 through 99-31 were adopted as reported in document SC22 N3013. 16. ADJOURNMENT There being no further business for discussion, the Twelfth Plenary Meeting of ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 was adjourned at 1125 hours on September 23, 1999. Respectfully submitted WILLIAM C. RINEHULS Secretariat, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 _____________________________ end of SC22 N3012 ________________________