From rinehuls@access.digex.net Thu Aug 28 22:56:44 1997 Received: from access2.digex.net (qlrhmEbBUV1EY@access2.digex.net [205.197.245.193]) by dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA16621 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:54:54 +0200 Received: from localhost (rinehuls@localhost) by access2.digex.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA22541 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:54:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:54:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "william c. rinehuls" X-Sender: rinehuls@access2.digex.net Reply-To: "william c. rinehuls" To: sc22docs@dkuug.dk Subject: SC22 N2573 - Minutes of August 1997 SC22 Plenary Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE __________________ beginning of title page __________________________ ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 Programming languages, their environments and system software interfaces Secretariat: U.S.A. (ANSI) ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 N2573 TITLE: Minutes of the Tenth Plenary Meeting of ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 on August 18-21, 1997 in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada DATE ASSIGNED: 1997-08-27 SOURCE: Secretariat, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 BACKWARD POINTER: N/A DOCUMENT TYPE: N/A PROJECT NUMBER: N/A STATUS: N/A ACTION IDENTIFIER: FYI DUE DATE: N/A DISTRIBUTION: Text CROSS REFERENCE: SC22 N2572, N2574, N2575 DISITRIBUTION FORM: Open Address reply to: ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 Secretariat William C. Rinehuls 8457 Rushing Creek Court Springfield, VA 22153 USA Telephone: +1 (703) 912-9680 Fax: +1 (703) 912-2973 email: rinehuls@access.digex.net _____________________ end of title page; beginning of minutes _______ MINUTES OF THE TENTH PLENARY OF ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 OTTAWA, ONTARIO, CANADA August 18-21, 1997 1. OPENING OF THE MEETING The Chairman of JTC 1/SC22, Mr. Robert Follett, officially opened the =20 Tenth Plenary of JTC 1/SC22 at 1000 hours on August 18, 1997. Mr. Doug Langlotz of the Standards Council of Canada welcomed the delegates to Ottawa and introduced Mr. Robert Kearney, past Chairman of SC22, who addressed the delegates, recounting past SC22 achievements and expressing = =20 the continuing importance of the standardization activities within SC22. Mr. Graham Warren, host for the meeting, then invited all delegates to a dinner in their honor on Wednesday, August 20, 1997 and a reception on =20 Monday, August 18, 1997. 2. CHAIRMAN'S REMARKS Mr. Follett indicated that he would discuss the meeting plans under =20 Agenda Item 5 and provide more extensive remarks concerning SC22 under Agenda Item 7.1. At his suggestion, SC22 observed a moment of silence in memory of Mr. Brian Meek, one of our longest standing members. See Resolution 97-1. 3. ROLL CALL OF DELEGATES The list of delegates in attendance at the Tenth Plenary of JTC 1/SC22 is = =20 documented in SC22 N2575. 4. APPOINTMENT OF DRAFTING COMMITTEE The following delegates were appointed to the drafting committee: Ms. Kate Schell - Chairman Mr. Toshaiaki Kurokawa Mr. Keld Simonsen Mr. Rick Sutcliffe 5. ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA The revised agenda for the meeting, contained in SC22 N2517, as revised, = =20 was adopted. (The final agenda for the meeting as adopted is contained in document SC22 N2572.) 6. REPORT OF THE SECRETARIAT Mr. William Rinehuls, Secretariat of SC22, referred delegates to document = =20 SC22 N2451, the SC22 Secretariat Report for this meeting, noting that there are two new "P-members" since the last Plenary: Ireland (SC22 N2269) and Norway (SC22 N2417) and Israel has become an new "O-member =20 (SC22 N2357). He requested that all Conveners provide him with corrections and updates to the Convener and Project Editor personnel sections of the SC22 Secretariat Report, before the end of the meeting. 6.1 SC22 PROJECT INFORMATION Mr. Rinehuls referred delegates to document SC22 N2452, the updated SC22 = =20 Programme of Work. He requested all Conveners to provide him with =20 corrections and updates related to their respective projects before the end of the meeting. In this regard, Mr. Follett requested that all dates should be forecast =20 for all projects since JTC 1 wants a complete schedule. 6.2 OUTSTANDING ACTIONS FROM THE EIGHTH PLENARY OF SC22 The following resolutions of the Ninth Plenary were discussed: Resolution 96-5. It was noted that the Concurrent CD registration and CD = =20 ballot have not yet been conducted. Resolution 96-10. It was noted that the request was sent by the SC22 =20 Secretariat to the JTC 1 and that JTC 1, in turn, requested permission from ITTF. However, no response has been received to date. Resolution 96-14. It was noted that the document has not yet been=20 submitted for fast-track. Resolution 96-19. It was noted that this resolution has been overtaken by = =20 events occurring since the Plenary. The subject of a Basic Technical Corrigendum will be discussed further under Agenda Item 9.1.1. Resolution 96-22. It was noted that the ANDF project in SC26 has =20 subsequently been cancelled. Resolution 96-39. It was noted that the Concurrent CD registration and CD = ballot have not yet been conducted. With the exceptions noted in the list above, the delegates agreed that =20 there were no action items outstanding. 6.3 JTC 1/SC22 STANDING DOCUMENTS Document SC22 N2550 was reviewed and the delegates agreed that this =20 listing, updating and distributed with the SC22 Document Register, was useful and that that practice should continue. 6.4 RELINQUISHMENT OF SC22 SECRETARIAT Document SC22 N2519 is a letter from the United States indicating it will = =20 relinquish the SC22 Secretariat on July 10, 1998. 7. ACTIVITY REPORTS 7.1 REPORT OF THE CHAIRMAN Mr. Follett referred delegates to document SC22 N2365 which contains his = =20 report on the ISO/IEC JTC 1 Plenary in December 1996. He also noted that document SC22 N2381 contains the resolutions from that meeting. He noted that he had also attended a number of other meetings on behalf of SC22; specifically: =20 a. the JTC 1 Ad Hoc on Implementation of IT meetings on September 30-=20 October 2, 1996, February 25-27, 1997 and June 23-26, 1997. His reports of these meetings are contained in SC22 N2521, N2431 and N2511, respectively and =20 b. the JTC 1 Ad Hoc on Re-engineering meetings on October 20-November 1, = =20 1996, April 7-11, 1997 and June 16-20, 1997. His reports of these meetings are contained in SC22 N2331, N2462 and N2510, respectively. 7.2 NATIONAL REPORTS The following National activity reports were presented: Austria - N2548 =20 Canada - N2555 Denmark - N2564 France - N2563 Finland - N2565 Germany - N2553 Japan - N2560 Netherlands - N2554 United Kingdom - N2556 USA - N2559 =20 7.3 LIAISON REPORTS - EXTERNAL TO ISO/IEC JTC 1 7.3.1 CCE - Commission of the European Community No report from CCE was received. 7.3.2 CIRF - International Institutions for Production Engineering =20 Research =20 No report from CIRF was received. 7.3.3 ECMA - European Computer Manufacturers Association No report from ECMA was received. 7.3.4 EWICS - European Workshop on Industrial Computer Systems No report from EWICS was received. 7.3.5 IFIP - International Federation for Information Processing Professor Kakehi gave a verbal report on those IFIP activities dealing =20 with SC22-related matters. 7.3.6 ITU - International Telecommunication Union No report from ITU was received. 7.4 REPORT OF LIAISON OFFICER 7.4.1 Liaison Officer to SC2 Mr. Van Wingen was not in attendance but provided the report in document = =20 SC22 N2558. The Secretariat was requested to obtain from Mr. Van Wingen the last SC22 liaison report he prepared for submission to SC2. 7.4.2 Liaison Officer to SC7 Mr. Cote reported that the new SC7 liaison officer would be Mr. F. =20 Coallier, incoming SC7 Chairman. 7.4.3 Liaison Officer to SC21 Mr. Korn was not in attendance and no report was received. 7.4.4 Liaison Officer to SC1 Lacking any volunteers to serve as Liaison Officer to SC1, Mr. Follett =20 accepted responsibility on pending appointment of a permanent Liaison Officer. 7.4.5 Liaison Officer to SC27 Lacking any volunteers to serve as Liaison Officer to SC27, Mr. Follett = =20 accepted responsibility pending appointment of a permanent Liaison Officer. 8. WORKING GROUP BUSINESS PLANS AND REPORTS 8.1 WG3 - APL The report of activity and business plan, prepared by Dr. Dickey, Convener = =20 of WG3, is contained in document SC22 N2566. Dr. Dickey presented this report. 8.2 WG4 - COBOL The report of activity and business plan, prepared by Ms. Wallace, Convener of WG4, is contained in document SC22 N2549. Ms. Wallace presented this report. =20 8.3 WG5 - FORTRAN The report of activity and business plan, prepared by Dr. Ellis, Convener = =20 of WG5, is contained in document SC22 N2533. Dr. Ellis presented this report.=20 8.3.1 Request for Appointment of Project Editor for Revision of ISO/IEC = =20 1539-1:1997 (Under Project JTC 1.22.02.01.01) This request is contained in document SC22 N2533. See Resolution 97-34. 8.3.2 Request to Extend Scope of Project JTC 1.22.02.02. This request is contained in document SC22 N2533. See Resolution 97-3. 8.3.3 Request for Approval of Concurrent CD Registration and CD Ballot =20 for Project JTC 1.22.02 This request is contained in document SC22 N2533. See Resolution 97-20. 8.4 WG9 - Ada The report of activity and business plan, prepared by Mr. Moore, Convener = =20 of WG9, is contained in document SC22 N2479. Mr. Moore presented this report. 8.4.1 Request for Approval of Concurrent CD Registration and FCD Ballot = =20 for Project JTC 1.22.15291 This request is contained in document SC22 N2479. See Resolution 97-21. 8.4.2 Request for Approval of Project Editors for Projects JTC 1.22.10.01 = =20 and JTC 1.22.31 This request is contained in document SC22 N2479. See Resolution 97-34. 8.4.3 Public Availability of Technical Corrigenda for ISO/IEC 8652:1995 This request is contained in document SC22 N2528. See Resolution 97-4. 8.4.4 Request to Add Postscript to List of Acceptable Distribution Formats=20 This request is contained in document SC22 N2537. There was no consensus = =20 to forward this request.=20 8.5 WG11 - Binding Techniques The business plan is contained in document SC22 N2540 and the activity =20 report are contained in document SC22 N2538. See Resolution 97-5. 8.5.1 Request for Approval of Project Editor for Projects JTC 1.22.28, =20 JTC 1.22.33 and JTC 1.22.34 This request is contained in document SC22 N2538. See Resolution 97-34. =20 8.6 WG13 - Modula-2 The business plan and activity report are contained in document SC22 =20 N2482. Dr. Schoenhacker, Convener of WG13, presented the report. 8.6.1 Request for Approval of Concurrent PDTR Registration and PDTR Ballot = =20 for Project JTC 1.22.15436 The request was brought forward by Dr. Schoenhacker as a result of a WG13 = =20 recommendation from the meeting held after the Convener's Report was prepared. However, a notification was given in the Convener's Report that this request may be made. See Resolution 97-22. 8.7 WG14 - C The business plan and activity report are contained in document SC22 =20 N2485. Mr. Benito, Convener of WG14, presented the report. 8.8 WG15 - POSIX The business plan and activity report are contained in document SC22 =20 N2486. Mr. Isaak, Convener of WG15, presented the report. 8.8.1 Request for Appointment of WG15 Project Editors The request is contained in document SC22 N2486. See Resolution 97-34. 8.8.2 Request for Withdrawal of Projects JTC 1.22.21.01.03.01 and =20 JTC 1.22.14515 The request is contained in document SC22 N2486. See Resolutions 97-6 and = =20 97-8. 8.8.3 Approval of Revised WG15 Synchronization Plan The request is contained in document SC22 N2486. The revised =20 Synchronization Plan is contained in document SC22 N2487. See Resolution 97-10. 8.9 WG16 - Lisp The business plan and activity report are contained in document SC22 =20 N2529. Mr. Parquier, Convener of WG16, presented the report. 8.10 WG17 - Prolog The business plan and activity report are contained in document SC22 =20 N2503. Mr. Scowen, Convener of WG17, presented the report. 8.11 WG19 - Format Specification Languages The business plan and activity report are contained in document SC22 =20 N2543. 8.12 WG20 - Internationalization The business plan and activity report are contained in documents SC22 =20 N2492 and N2547. Mr. Winkler, Convener of WG20, presented the report. 8.12.1 Request for Title Change of Project JTC 1.22.30.02.02 This request is contained in document SC22 N2492. See Resolution 97-11. 8.12.2 Request for Appointment of Project Editor for Project =20 JTC 1.22.15435 This request is contained in document SC22 N2492. See Resolution 97-34. 8.12.3 Request for Approval of Concurrent Registration and Approval =20 Ballots for Project JTC 1.22.15435 This request is contained in document SC22 N2492. See Resolution 97-23. 8.13 WG21 - C++ The business plan and activity report are contained in document SC22 =20 N2483. Mr. Plum, Convener of WG20, presented the report. 8.14 WG22 - PCTE The business plan and activity report are contained in document SC22 =20 N2484. =20 8.14.1 Request to Withdraw Project JTC 1.22.47.4 This request is contained in document SC22 N2484. See Resolution 97-7. 8.14.2 Future of WG22 Discussion of this issue is contained in document SC22 N2484. SC22 agreed = =20 that a firm date for dissolving WG22 should not be established at this time based on the work still to be completed by WG22. However, should this work be completed well in advance of the 1998 SC22 Plenary, a letter ballot will be issued on that subject. See also Resolution 97-33. 8.15 SC22/JSG The activity report is contained in document SC22 N2534. Dr. Mathis, =20 Convener of SC22/JSG presented the report. See Resolutions 97-12, 97-13, 97-14, 97-15, 97-16 and 97-33. 9. PROJECT EDITOR REPORTS 9.1 BASIC =20 No report of activity was received. =20 9.1.1 Technical Corrigendum 1 to ISO/IEC 10279:1991 - Programming Language Basic - Reconsideration After discussion with Mr. Kurtz, Project Editor for Basic Standards, on =20 the status of the publication of this Technical Corrigendum, Mr. Rinehuls provided document SC22 N2442 requesting reconsideration by SC22 of their direction that the Technical Corrigendum be published. The rationale for = =20 this reconsideration is also included in document SC22 N2442. See Resolution 97-9. 9.2 FIMS No report of activity was received. 9.3 Pascal The report of activity is contained in document SC22 N2501 prepared by =20 Mr. Hetherington, Project Editor for Pascal Standards. 9.4 PL/I The report of activity is contained in document SC22 N2488 prepared by =20 Mr. Klensin, Project Editor for PL/I Standards. 10. AD HOC MEETINGS SC22 identified three topics requiring ad hoc group discussion: =20 Justification for SC22 Standards Development Formats; SC22 Business Plan; and Cultural Adaptability. The Chairman of the Ad Hoc on Justification for SC22 Standards Development = =20 Formats, Mr. Benito, reported on the results of the work session of this group. The recommendations of this ad hoc are in document SC22 N2571. See Resolution 97-27. The Chairman of the Ad Hoc on SC22 Business Plan, Mr. Follett, reported =20 on the results of the work session of this group. The recommendations of this ad hoc are in document SC22 2568. See Resolution 97-24. The Chairman of the Ad Hoc on JTC 1 Workshop on Cultural Adaptability, =20 Mr. Jameson, reported on the results of the work session of this group. The recommendations of this ad hoc are in document Ottawa-6 attached to these minutes. See Resolutions 97-17, 97-18, and 97-19. 11. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION 11.1 JTC 1 Ad Hoc on Implementing Information Technology Mr. Follett advised that JTC 1 is beginning its transition to Web-based =20 document distribution. Paper and diskette distribution should be discontinued by the end of this year except for those National Bodies who cannot accept Web-based document distribution at that time. Therefore, =20 SC22 must move completely to web-based document availability, although e-mail distribution can continue, as well. Documents provided via the web must be in one of the approved JTC 1 formats. Where the approved formats are not suitable for our standards development, a justification must be =20 submitted to JTC 1 for an exception. The JTC 1 policy on web-based document distribution applies only at the =20 SC level and above. However, WGs are encouraged to follow the same rules but are not required to do so as long as the documents they submit to the SC22 Secretariat do follow the rules. In any case, the Document Classification Table (annex D to the policy =20 document) is applicable at all levels. 11.1.1 JTC 1 Policy for Electronic Distribution Using the World Wide Web The latest draft of the JTC 1 policy which is currently being balloted by = =20 JTC 1 was distributed in document SC22 N2512. Mr. Follett also referred the delegates to document SC22 N2514 which was distributed before the latest draft of the JTC 1 policy was issued. He noted that SCs are invited to comment on this document by August 29, 1997. Mr. Keld Simonsen is providing the official Web-server for SC22. Mr. Simonsen and Mr. Rinehuls prepared a "Guide for Server Based =20 Distribution of SC22 Documents (document SC22 N2569). See Resolution 97-29. 11.1.2 Results of Questionnaire Regarding Server-Based Distribution =20 Within SC22 Mr. Rinehuls referred to delegates to document SC22 N2478. He noted that: a. Bulgaria was included as a P-member on Page 2 of the report in =20 error. Bulgaria is still an O-member of SC22. b. Since the report was prepared, New Zealand has advised that they will = =20 accept e-mail and server based document distribution instead of not requiring any SC22 documents. c. China has advised that they can now receive e-mail distribution; =20 however, it is not clear whether this also include server based document distribution and the Secretariat has inquired further in that regard. He also advised that he is going to send out another letter to the SC22 O= =20 -Members, Heads of Delegation and Category A and C Liaisons who did not respond to the original questionnaire that again requests information on their ability to accept e-mail and server based distribution. In the absence of a response within the time period specified in the letter, =20 they will be removed from the SC22 document distribution list. He noted, in this regard, that this action was discussed with the JTC 1 Secretariat and no objection was raised. 11.1.3 Justification for SC22 Standards Development Document Formats An Ad Hoc was established to deal with this issue and the results of the = =20 ad hoc meeting and SC22 policy implementation are contained in document SC22 N2571. See also Agenda Item 10 and Resolution 97-27. 11.2 JTC 1 Ad Hoc on Reengineering Document SC22 N2510 contains the details of the JTC 1 re-engineering =20 process which is almost completed. Final action on this issue is expected to be taken at the upcoming JTC 1 Plenary in September. 11.2.1 Status of JTC 1 "Special Actions" Recommendations Document SC22 N2405 contains two "special actions" requests on SC22 from = =20 JTC 1. These are: a. Work Program Review. Mr. Follett prepared a draft response in =20 document SC22 N2552. This response was reviewed and revised by the delegates and a final version was approved, as contained in document SC22 N2570 for submittal to JTC 1. See Resolution 97-28. b. "Late Projects" Review. Mr. Follett prepared a draft response in =20 document SC22 N2418. This response was reviewed. See Resolution 97-25. 11.2.2 Procedures for Maintenance of Mature Standards Document SC22 N2374 contains the maintenance procedure used by SC21 for =20 mature standards. Document SC22 N2509 contains a request from JTC 1 to the JTC 1 SCs to provide contributions on this issue in advance of the September JTC 1 Plenary. The delegates agreed that a contribution should be made. See Document =20 SC22 N2567 and Resolution 97-26. 11.3 JTC 1/SWG-GII Mr. Follett referred the delegates to document SC22 N2386 which was his =20 response to the request from the SWG to identify standards and work items within the SC22 program that are relevant to GII. He noted that the problem= in developing that document arose from the inconsistent interpretation of the terms in the GII document by the SC22 WGs, and he noted that the SC22 = =20 program should be represented consistently since SC22 is important to the GII. It was also noted that document SC22 N2561 is the most recent version of the GII Guidelines document. 11.4 ISO Copyright and Document Distribution Policies Mr. Follett referred the delegates to document SC22 N2291 in which SC22 =20 strongly recommended to JTC 1 that project-related documents be openly available. JTC 1 agreed and made that request to ISO and IEC which resulted in a favorable reply contained in document SC22 N2432. He noted that the full ISO copyright policy is contained in document SC22 = =20 N2434 as modified by document SC22 N2432. 11.5 NP Acceptance Criteria Mr. Follett called the attention of the delegates to the new JTC 1 "NP =20 Project Acceptance Criteria Form" contained in document SC22 N2415 that must be completed and submitted with each NP. 11.6 Revised JTC 1 Directives - Modification of DIS Balloting Procedures Document SC22 N2408 contains these revised procedures. 11.7 SC22 Business Plan Mr. Follett developed a draft response (document SC22 N2551) and an Ad =20 Hoc was established to develop a final response (document SC22 N2568. See Agenda Item 10 and Resolution 97-24. 11.8 Joint Workshop on Registration of Metadata The Workshop was held on July 8-11, 1997 in Berkeley, California, USA.=20 11.9 Request from SC29 for Liaison with SC22 Document SC22 N2458 contains this request; the request names Dr. Tom Casey = =20 as the SC29 liaison to SC22. See Resolution 97-15. 11.10 Proposed JTC 1 Workshop on Cultural Adaptability As reported by Mr. Follett in document SC22 N2510, the JTC 1 Ad Hoc on =20 Reengineering has proposed that JTC 1 authorize this workshop. The scope of the workshop is contained in document SC22 N2508 which is currently undergoing a 60-day JTC 1 letter ballot. It was noted that this scope includes a request for recommendation on placement of the Cultural =20 Adaptability work within SC22/WG20 or SC2. An Ad Hoc was established to deal with this issue. See document Ottawa-6 = =20 attached to these minute, Agenda Item 10, and Resolutions 97-17, 97-18, and 97-19. 12. SC22 ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUES 12.1 Review of Five Year Meeting Schedule Future plenaries of SC22 are scheduled as follows: 1998 - Copenhagen, Denmark (confirmed) - August 24-28, 1998 1999 - Berlin, Germany (confirmed) - September 20-24, 1999 2000 - Japan (tentative) 2001 - Austria (tentative) 2002 - Finland (tentative) 12.2 Standards for Periodic Review In each case, SC22 determines whether the standard should be confirmed, =20 withdrawn or revised. 12.2.1 ISO/IEC 9945-2:1993 - POSIX, Part 2: Shell and Utilities 12.2.2 ISO/IEC TR 10182:1993 - Binding Techniques for Programming =20 Languages See Resolution 97-31. 12.3 Retention of Projects Not Reaching CD Stage Within Three Years of NP = =20 Approval The JTC 1 Directives require the SC to which these projects are assigned = =20 to consider, either by letter ballot or plenary vote, whether the project shall be retained (giving specific justification) and advise the JTC 1 Secretariat of the results of this consideration. The JTC 1 Directives =20 also specify that "If the SC fails to act, then the project shall automatically be canceled by the JTC 1 Secretariat". (Section 6.4.1.5) Document SC22 N2448 contains the list of applicable projects. See =20 Resolution 97-32. 12.4 Retention of Projects Not Reaching DIS Stage Within Four Years of =20 Reaching CD There are no applicable SC22 projects. 12.5 Working Group Conveners Appointments/Reappointments 12.5.1 WG3 (Dr. Dickey) Document SC22 N2566, prepared by Dr. Dickey, indicates his willingness to = =20 continue as the Convener of WG3 for a new three-year term. See Resolution 97-33. 12.5.2 WG4 (Ms. Wallace) Document SC22 N2549, prepared by Ms. Wallace, indicates her willingness =20 to continue as the Convener of WG4 for a new three-year term. See Resolution 97-33. 12.5.3 WG15 (Mr. Isaak) Document SC22 N2486, prepared by Mr. Isaak, indicates his desire to =20 relinquish the WG15 Convenership. It also indicates that he can remain as the Acting Convener through 1998 to allow WG15 to identify candidates for this position. See Resolutions 97-33 and 97-39. 12.5.4 WG17 (Mr. Scowen) Document SC22 N2503, prepared by Mr. Scowen, indicates his willingness to = =20 continue as the Convener of WG17 for a new three-year term. See Resolution 97-33. 12.5.5 WG22 (Mr. Minot) See Agenda Item 8.14.2 and Resolution 97-33. 13. OTHER BUSINESS There was no other business discussed. 14. APPROVAL OF RESOLUTIONS AND STATEMENT OF RESULTS Resolutions 97-l through 97-42 were adopted as indicated in document SC22 = =20 N2574. 15. ADJOURNMENT There being no further business for discussion, the Tenth Plenary meeting = =20 of ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 was adjourned at 1700 hours, August 21, 1997. Respectfully submitted WILLIAM C. RINEHULS Secretariat, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 Attachment Ottawa-6 _______________________ end of minutes; beginning of attachment SC22 Ad Hoc on Cultural Adaptability =20 Scott Jameson, USA, chair Gretchen Louise Bradfield, USA Ann Wallace WG4 Pierre Parquier, France, WG16 Arnold Winkler, WG20 Miles Ellis, WG5 Martin Schoenhacker, WG13, Austria, Netherlands Katsuhiko Kakehi, Japan Shizuo Goto, Japan Alain La Bont=82, Canada Keld Simonson, Denmark Hannu Jaakkola, Finland =20 =20 Purpose: Develop recommended SC22 positions for the Cultural Adaptability =20 Workshop to be distributed to SC22 National Bodies for comment and approval =20 1. SC22 sponsorship of workshop There was no proposal that SC22 offer to sponsor the Workshop. =20 SC22 doesn t want to sponsor, but would like to informally co-sponsor =20 (add 2-3 additional people to the SC2 planning group) =20 SC22 endorses the need for the workshop and requests SC2 to add the =20 following people from SC22 to the Workshop Planning Committee Miles Ellis, Convenor SC22/WG5 Alain La Bont=82,Canadian delegate to SC22 Pierre Parquier,French delegate to SC22 =20 2. Key Items: Policy for Cultural Adaptability =20 ACTION: Scott Jameson (USA) and , Keld Simonsen (Denmark) will distribute = =20 pointers to RFC, and policy documents on Application Portability and Interoperability. Application portability is a primary concern for JTC1. =20 The Ad Hoc does feel that there is a need for a policy for Cultural =20 Adaptability for all of JTC1? Need cooperation of member bodies to supply the parameters in order = =20 to meet Cultural Adaptability Requirements for their particular culture. This includes, but is not limited to, character sets, sorting algorithms, date, time and money formats, language used, etc. Many of these are in the National Body's Standards Repertoire already. Cultural Adaptability, in some ways, seems the antithesis of =20 standardization in that it allows non-uniformity in the presentation of data. But done correctly, it allows the same application to be used across multiple cultures in a standard, and predictable way. All JCT1 standards need to be aware of and facilitate Cultural =20 Adaptability What are the standards that we have in this area and what is missing? Work going on in WG20 is available on the Web SC22 needs to develop standards that facilitate insertion of =20 Cultural Adaptability into programming languages (WG20) =20 POLICY:=20 The Ad Hoc feels that the following points must be considered for a = =20 Cultural Adaptability Policy: Promote use of JCT1 standards All JCT1 stds should support and encourage Cultural Adaptability = =20 in a consistent manner National bodies need to supply their own culturally specific information =20 Process to ensure Cultural Adaptability Include statement that NP and/or or business plan considers Cultural Adaptability Becomes automatic property of all JTC1 standards =20 There is a need to look at existing standards.=20 What is there in the way of Cultural Adaptability Compliance? What needs to be added or changed? Implementation of Cultural Adaptability needs to be consistent with the = =20 product Don't delay current work just to add Cultural Adaptability. =20 Cultural Adaptability standards in our programming stds, older stds =20 disappear when revision appears.=20 What happens when Programming Language Std binds to another standard = =20 that changes. See new drafting policies(?) =20 Market Requirements perhaps is the place to handle Cultural Adaptability = =20 requirements. =20 Each Working Group must evaluate the need for Cultural Adaptability =20 Different languages may need different levels of conformance=20 Need to take into account the market and niche of the language.=20 Votes at CD and DIS levels may disagree =20 =20 PROCESS: The Ad Hoc believes that the following should be added to the process = =20 in order to implement Cultural Adaptability: Identify extent of support needed for each product=20 New work items should have needs noted in the NP business =20 relevance section. Related Work is a good place to document consistency with WG20 =20 standards For Subdivided items, the scope doesn t change, but number of =20 projects does. The assumption is that the various parts would have same requirements as the original May also be appropriate to note in Business Plan for single =20 project Working Groups, SCs needs to add Cultural Adaptability compliance review for 5-year =20 Reviews, etc. =20 Definition of Cultural Adaptability (N2561 pg. 5and N4627) It is felt that the current JTC1 definition is too restrictive=20 being limited to just the characteristics of languages. The Ad Hoc feels that we should add the words and cultures so that it reads: Characteristics of languages and cultures and the rules of their = =20 use =20 Organizational issues As soon as Cultural Adaptability becomes an automatic property of =20 prog languages, etc., will there be a need to maintain WG20?. =20 What about hyphenation, spell checking, etc.? Ad Hoc could not agree that there was more work identifiable at =20 this time.=20 =20 Location of WG20 (SC22 or ?)=20 There are three possibilities JTC1 would assign Cultural Adaptability to one SC (Most likely = =20 SC2, SC18 or SC22) Since Cultural Adaptability has a high impact on Programming =20 Languages, it make sense to keep it in SC22. Other SCs could liaison with WG20. =20 JTC1 would create a horizontal SC on Cultural Adaptability Experience has shown that these don t work very well. =20 Each SC could create its own WG on Cultural Adaptability This option could lead to duplication of work and perhaps =20 conflicting answers. =20 ORGANIZATION Requirements to consider for decision We agree that we need a high level of cooperation,=20 Different SCs have different requirements Need single repository for cultural information =20 Do we have a SC22 delegate at workshop ? Ann Wallace, Arnold Winkler, Miles Ellis would, pending approval. =20 3.Timeline 15 Sep 1997 Deadline for draft position statements to be posted =20 on reflector Coordinators for drafting position papers are: Policy Arnold Winkler, Process Ann Wallace Definition Scott Jameson Organization Gretchen Louise Bradfield 15 Oct 1997 Beginning of SC22 30-day letter ballot 15 Nov 1997 Close of Ballot =20 Glossary: HOST Provide location for workshop SPONSOR Provide contents for workshop =20 ______________________ end of SC22 N2573 ____________________________