From rinehuls@access2.digex.net Wed Dec 18 18:56:42 1996 Received: from access2.digex.net (qlrhmEbBUV1EY@access2.digex.net [205.197.245.193]) by dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA02191 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 18:56:38 +0100 Received: from localhost (rinehuls@localhost) by access2.digex.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA19157 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 12:56:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 12:56:27 -0500 (EST) From: "william c. rinehuls" To: sc22docs@dkuug.dk Subject: SC22 N2360 (Venue Notice/Agenda for Java Study Gp Jan 97 Mtg) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE _____________________beginning of title page _________________________ ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 Programming languages, their environments and system software interfaces Secretariat: U.S.A. (ANSI) ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 N2360 January 1997 TITLE: Venue Notice and Draft Agenda for SC22 Java Study Group Meeting on January 7-8, 1997 in Cupertino, California, USA SOURCE: Secretariat, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 WORK ITEM: N/A STATUS: N/A CROSS REFERENCE: N/A DOCUMENT TYPE: Venue Notice and Agenda ACTION: To SC22 Member Bodies for information. Address reply to: ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 Secretariat William C. Rinehuls 8457 Rushing Creek Court Springfield, VA 22153 USA Tel: +1 (703) 912-9680 Fax: +1 (703) 912-2973 email: rinehuls@access.digex.net _____________________end of title page; beginning of text _____________ VENUE NOTICE AND PRELIMINARY AGENDA FOR ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 JAVA STUDY GROUP MEETING The ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22 Java Study Group will hold an informal meeting Tuesday and Wednesday, January 7-8, 1997, in Cupertino, CA, beginning at 9:00am at JavaSoft, 10201 North De Anza Blvd, Cupertino, CA 95014. This meeting will be informal in the sense that no formal actions are anticipated (or will be allowed). The purpose is face-to-face discussion of issues and the formulation of those issues so they can be submitted for voting by the whole study group, the recommendations of the study group are subject to formal voting by the members of SC22. There will be a separate Java SIG meeting on Monday evening, January 6. I'll send more information on that when I have it. This message has three main parts: JSG Agenda, a list of anticipated attendees (confirmations needed) and local information (including some possible hotel choices). Java Study Group (JSG) AGENDA Tuesday, January 7, 1997: joint meeting with SC29/WG12 MHEG (Note: this joint meeting was the primary reason for choosing this place and time.) Information about SC29/WG12 and their meeting can be found at http://www.demon.co.uk/tcasey/wg12 userid MHEG passwd GEHM There will be tutorials on MHEG 5&6 in the morning and an administrative meeting in the afternoon. Wednesday, January 8, 1997: separate meeting for review of JSG alternatives Meeting Secretary -- Rex Jaeschke (possibly) I. Possible Candidate Technologies for Standardization Java language Java Virtual Machine AWT Java Class Libraries Java Beans Java OS i18n Other API's (Security, 3D, etc.) JDBC ECMA Script (also known as, JavaScript or JScript) (ECMA TC 39) (SC22JSG.202) ActiveX (Open Group) ANDF (Architecture-Neutral Distribution Format) (SC22JSG.212) http://riwww.osf.org/andf/andf.papers/toc.html Inferno, Lucent Technologies http://inferno.bell-labs.com/inferno/ Gazelle / Juice (SC22JSG.157) http://www.ics.uci.edu/~juice ScriptEase (Cmm) Nombas (SC22JSG.154) II. Possible Approaches ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22 Committee developed draft and traditional voting Fast Tracking existing standard (with subsequent committee) (SC22JSG.204) Adopting a PAS (Publicly Available Specification) ECMA OMG Open Group US Organization (Wednesday afternoon discussion): US TAG (Technical Advisory Group) for ISO=85JSG X3, IEEE, Canvass (independent group) Organizing Committee: Bob Mathis, Rex Jaeschke, others? IPF (International Participation Fee) Timing III. General Issues Internationalization (i18n) Localization (i.e. Japanization in Java language/AWT) Tim Boreham's suggestions: 1. Sun Microsystems Java environment is an architecturally neutral applications environment for distributed applications.=20 2. Java (and all its associated items - JVM, the language, etc.) is worthy of standardization. (other languages/environments may also be worthy of standardization - later) 3. The standardization process needs the participation of Sun. 4. The standard should correspond as closely as possible to the Sun specifications (new features can be added in the second version). David Wheeler's Proposal (SC22JSG.168) 1. We want standardization to proceed as rapidly as possible. 2. Java is a member of the C family of languages, but trying to force Java's description to be too close to C would be inappropriate. [This was discussed on the JSG e-list without much agreement.] 3. Standards are needed (in priority order) for: Java Virtual Machine and Java programming language 4. corporate positions relating to the availability of copyrighted, trademarked, and/or licensed material that may be relevant to the standards process [things change so fast that it's hard to predict the content of this item, but we might either be moving ahead very rapidly with everybody participating and cooperating or we might want to wait for others to come on board] 5. discuss specifics of organization in terms of what new work items to suggest, what working groups to form, how this work would relate to ISO/IEC national member bodies, liaisons with other JTC1 SCs and WGs, how to work effectively electronically, how to organize national delegations, how to involve and respond to the volume of technical activity in this area, how to vote, and (I know this isn't of interest to the whole group) how the US might organize itself; 6. initial discussion of some technical issues; this might involve reviewing some products, books, or add-on capabilities. Use "::" in a Java qualified-name (SC22JSG.216) Use Argument Names to disambiguate Overloaded Methods (SC22JSG.216) Generics or Templates (SC22JSG.176) http://wwwipd.ira.uka.de/~odersky/papers.html#Pizza ATTENDEES CONFIRMED: Magnus Y Alvestad John C. Benito Sean A. Corfield (UK Head of Delegation) Frank Farance Rex Jaeschke Derek Jones <> (UK Delegation) Toshiaki Kurokawa Dmitry Lenkov Brian Marks (UK Delegation Neil Martin <> (UK Delegation) Bob Mathis Kevin Miller Valerie Taylor Simon Tooke POSSIBLE: Steve Carson Dick Gemoets Sam Harbison Elliotte Rusty Harold Scott Jameson Andy Johnson Randy Meyers John D. Mitchell Keld J|rn Simonsen Pete Smith LOCAL INFORMATION (taken from the SC29/WG12 announcment) AIRPORTS: The airports closest to Cupertino are San Francisco International Airport and San Jose International Airport. If you must connect through another US airport, and if time is the sole criteria, consider San Jose rather than San Francisco. It will save about 45 minutes. You should rent a car. [Personal note from Mathis, I don't like renting cars in general, but California is one place it makes sense. There will be plenty of local people and others who rent cars so I'm sure we could make arrangements for anybody with my natural reluctance for renting.] Directions From San Francisco Airport: San Francisco International Airport has more direct flights from Europe, and is about 60 minutes north of Cupertino if traffic is light. The route via US 101 is South and East toward San Jose and Mountain View to US 85, then South on US 85 to US 280, then East on US 280 towards San Jose. The first exit after joining US 280 is Sunnyvale Saratoga & De Anza Boulevard. Exit here. Turn right onto De Anza Boulevard. The Apple corporate site is at the De Anza exit and should be on your left. The JavaSoft site is about 3/4 blocks west on the right hand side (that is West side) of De Anza Boulevard. There is a KidsSoft building just before it. The route via US 280 is South and East towards San Jose. Cupertino is just South of Los Altos. Exit at Sunnyvale Saratoga & De Anza Boulevard. The exit before this is for US 85. Turn right onto De Anza Boulevard. The Apple corporate site is at the De Anza exit and should be on your left. The JavaSoft site is about 3/4 blocks west on the right hand side (that is West side) of De Anza Boulevard. There is a KidsSoft building just before it. Directions From San Jose Airport: San Jose International Airport is closest to the site. Its about 15-20 minutes South of Cupertino. Take US 280 West and North toward San Francisco. Exit at Sunnyvale Saratoga & De Anza Boulevard. The exit before this is Wolfe Road. Turn left onto De Anza Boulevard. The direction is south. The corporate site for Apple is at the De Anza exit and should be on your left. (If you enter the Apple site, avoid the Infinite Loop.) The JavaSoft site is about 3/4 blocks west on the right hand side (that is west side) of De Anza Boulevard. There is a KidsSoft building just before it. Information on San Francisco International Airport and San Jose International Airport, for example the airlines which serve the airports, the terminals' maps, additional hotel information, ground transportation and shuttle service from both airports is available at: http://www.quickaid.com/airports HOTELS At least one participant has mentioned staying at the Fairmont Hotel in San Jose. I=92ve never stayed there so I cannot make any comments. If you'll communicate on the list about your plans, common arrangements might result. The hotels shown below offer reduced rates for Sun Microsystems. The hotel closest to the JavaSoft site is: Marriott Courtyard - Cupertino 10605 North Wolf Road Cupertino, California 1- 408-252-9100 Cupertino Inn - Cupertino 10889 N. DeAnza Boulevard Cupertino, California 95014 1-800-222-4828 (in the U.S.) Fax: 1-408-257-0578 Corporate Rate: $152.00 ($99.00 - Fridays & Saturdays) The Palo Alto locations shown below are close to Stanford University, with numerous resturants and bookstores in the area. Palo Alto is about 20-30 minutes north of Cupertino.=20 Garden Court Hotel 520 Cowper St.=20 Palo Alto, California 1-800-824-9028 $165.00 Holiday Inn Palo Alto 625 El Camino Real Palo Alto, California 1-415-328-2800 $125.00 Stanford Park Hotel El Camino Real Menlo Park, California 1-415-322-1234 $145.00 The hotels below are toward San Jose near US 101 and would be convenient to the San Jose airport.=20 Sunnyvale Hilton 1250 Lakeside Drive Sunnyvale, California 1-408-738-4888 $95.00 Embassy Suites 885 Lakeside Dr. Santa Clara, California 1-408-496-6400 ________________________end of document SC22 N2360 ____________________